Day and night triplicity rulers 1 by Meredith Hello all, I'm new here so please be gentle with me My scenario - a professional horary astrologer works 9-5 at a desk. He receives and understands questions submitted by clients during that time. So most of his charts will be day charts. Does he therefore use only day time triplicity rulers in his judgement or does he use them both? Hope that makes sense and isn't a dumb question. Quote Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:10 pm
2 by Mark Hello Meredith, Welcome to Skyscript! Do take the opportunity to check out the articles on the site including the horary units. Dont worry about asking questions. Its how we all learn. Basically, its quite straighforward on triplicity rulers. Day rulers for day and night rulers for night. So in your scenario most charts will as you suggest be day rulers for horary questions. We dont mix them up in delineation. Keep in mind triplicity rulers change at sunset so it will still be light outside when we first go over to the night ruler. Mark Last edited by Mark on Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:54 pm, edited 1 time in total. As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:50 pm
3 by Meredith Hello Mark, Thank you for the welcome and the reply, good to have this clarified! Meredith Quote Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:53 pm
4 by johannes susato Hello Meredith, Mark wrote: Keep in mind triplicity rulers change at sunset so it will still be light outside when we first go over to the night ruler. technically the astrological sunset or the beginning of the night is to be seen in the chart, when the Sun is just going below the DC, and the night continues as long as the Sun is under the line AC - DC; the day begins as soon as the Sun is one second above the line AC - DC, and as long it is above this line the day continues. Johannes Quote Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:06 pm
5 by Geoffrey [quote="johannes susato"]the day begins as soon as the Sun is one second above the line AC - DC/quote] Johannes, perhaps you can clarify a point for me. The sun is seen to be visibly rising on the horizon when it is astronomically still almost a degree below the horizon. Is it still night, even though we can see that the sun has risen? Thanks Geoffrey Quote Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:55 am
6 by johannes susato In the context here we look for the definition of day and night charts. Dawn and dusk and the visibility of the Sun are stressed by Frawley for example. But the mainstream sticks to the definition by the AC - DC line representing the plane through the midpoint of the earth. It it the same problem as with the division of day and night for the computing of the lenghts of the astrological hours and the allotment of their rulers. Johannes Quote Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:30 am
9 by Meredith Thank you Johannes and Geoffrey for adding to this discussion. I still am trying to get my head around the ecliptic and celestial horizon, and the relation of the celestial to the sensible horizon... I'll get there ... one day.. hopefully Quote Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:21 pm
10 by Paul Just to muddy the waters, there are occasions where using both can be appropriate. Say the question is: "Where should I move to? Milan, Paris or Berlin?" And the querent, say, has listed their locations in order of preference, we can use triplicity rulers to assign to each optional choice. With the triplicity sect ruler, the out of sect ruler, and the participating ruler (if we assume Dorothean triplicities). In other words if this chart was asked during the day and our quesited was an air sign, then we'd assign: Saturn: Milan Mercury: Paris Jupiter: Berlin I just demonstrate this example to show how the 9-5 astrologer may still be using the night triplicity at 12 noon. Quote Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:15 pm
11 by Morpheus Hi Paul, Say the question is: "Where should I move to? Milan, Paris or Berlin?" I would rather approach this question in the following way 1. First using the Phoenitic values assigned to Signs.... Like M is for Leo Like B is for Taurus Like P is for Virgo 2. Natural rulerships according to Mundane Astrology Like France I suppose is ruled by Leo Like UK is ruled by Mars etc... Regards Morpheus https://horusastropalmist.wordpress.com/ Quote Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:41 am
12 by Paul Syed Tariq Javed wrote: I would rather approach this question in the following way 1. First using the Phoenitic values assigned to Signs.... Like M is for Leo Like B is for Taurus Like P is for Virgo 2. Natural rulerships according to Mundane Astrology Like France I suppose is ruled by Leo Like UK is ruled by Mars etc... Can you explain, I've never heard of this phoenitic values assignation. Can you elaborate on it and perhaps reference a source for it? The point about doing it via the triplicities is to demonstrate that it could be any multiple choice - for example between three jobs - in which case the idea of signs ruling particular countries has a limited context. Quote Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:07 am