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johannes susato



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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:09 pm    Post subject: Frawley's Sports Astrology Reply with quote

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skyrack wrote:
Italy v Austria 1.50 7.50

Lord1 antiscion is in house 10 - minor positive

<Pluto>
Testimony: Misc: Outers: Pluto on cusp2 HARMS the favourites.

Is the Pluto effect enough to overturn the odds advantage?


Hello Skyrack,

I appreciate your thread "Euros ... continued" very much and, to be
honest, so much, that I don't want to disturb the flow of all the matches
you judge. An immense labor, indeed.

As I'm very much interested in understanding Frawley and his rules in
Sports Astrology correctly, perhaps we could discuss some problems of
those rules here?

The antiscion of Lord 1 is at 27.53 Libra and not a testimony, because it is
more than 3° off the cusp.

As to the best of my remambrane in one of his samples the position of
Pluto is not more than minutes beside the cusp of the 2nd.

Insofar the result of the match matches the odds, and only the odds, in
my opinion.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Skyrack,
Appreciate also that you take time to dress up as a 'bookmaker' for our Forum.
We all learn by putting a system to test. Which is something we do not see much here except the Horary section and you deserve credit for doing it.
At the end of the Euro, would you be willing to do a self-evaluation check-up on where your predictions worked or not and provide the reasons why.

Best to you,
Ouranos
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skyrack



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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks both for the feedback.

Hi Johannes,

It is good to be able to discuss interpretations of Frawley's methods.

Lord1 Antiscion for that match is 6.2886448313628875° in house 10

Frawley mentions "on", "just in" and "in" when delineating house placement of the Lords.
He also says: "A PLANET ON A CUSP CONTROLS THAT HOUSE A PLANET INSIDE A CUSP IS CONTROLLED BY THAT HOUSE"
But as we are looking at wider house placement and not just cusp placement of the Lords, Lord1 Antiscion is IN house 10.
Albeit this is a marginal testimony and perhaps a Lord in its own house should be limited to "on" and "just in".

Does Frawley say 3° for limits to the cusp?

You are right. Pluto is too far from the cusp - my mistake.
1 degree should be the maximum here.

I think the testimonies should be taken in the context of the odds.
It would be nice to be able to score the testimonies and weigh the outcome against the odds.

Hi Ouranos,

Yes. I intend to do an evaluation, although providing reasons is another matter...
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holland v Czech Republic 1.61 5.75

Lord1 is Jupiter
Lord7 is Mercury


Lord7 body is 14° in house 7 - minor negative

<Moon> - negative
PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites.

The underdogs need a bit more to overcome the odds?
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belgium v Portugal 2.30 3.25

Lord1 is Jupiter
Lord10 is Venus
Lord7 is Mercury
Lord4 is Mars

Lord1 antiscion is in ( 14° ) house 10 - minor positive
Moon Mercury 120 Exact +00:04:14
Moon Mars Antiscion 90 Applicative +02:59:23 - negative
Mars Saturn 180 Applicative +02:31:47 - positive

1 have not yet allocated any quantitative scoring to the various testimonies.
But on balance I would give Portugal the overall favour although could need a bit more to overturn the odds.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Skyrack,

you should continue the row of the matches in your
"Euros ....continued" -thread too!

It is so clearly and nicely ordered there!

I'll come back to the 3° Orb at the cusps later.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johannes susato wrote:

I'll come back to the 3° Orb at the cusps later.

Now,
SA, p.81:
House-placement of Lords 1, 7, 4 and 10 bodily (and by antiscia, p.82)
"Very close. Sitting on the cusp, at most a couple of degrees before it. Tucked just inside the house, at most a couple of degrees inside it."

p.82:
"Beyond the tight parameters I gave you, of some 2 or 3 degrees before ore after the cusp, position by house means nothing. Lord 1 is not mildly afflicted by being 6 degrees inside the 7th house; it is not afflicted at all. Lord 1 might be 6 degrees inside the 1st house while Lord 7 is tucked away inside the 12th: this means nothing."
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Johannes,

Thanks indeed for those references which are missing from my extract.

1 degree inside the house is ON the cusp? or JUST INSIDE the house?

What do you think? Bearing in mind the testimony could be polar opposites...
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skyrack wrote:
Holland v Czech Republic 1.61 5.75

Lord1 is Jupiter
Lord7 is Mercury


Lord7 body is 14° in house 7 - minor negative

<Moon> - negative
PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites.

The underdogs need a bit more to overcome the odds?


In my opinion the Moon's trine with the underdog's Mercury
made the underdogs to be the winning team - againt every
expectation.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. . . and not to forget the applying conjunction of Mercury with
the antiscion of the Part of Fortune.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:02 am    Post subject: Sweden vs Ukraine Reply with quote

https://imgbb.com/hcYPwkQ

Sweden are favorites
The Moon separating from a conjunction with Jupiter and applying to a square with Mercury is fairly clear here. Ukraine win ?
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to strip the angle brackets which corrupted that testimony which should have read:
skyrack wrote:
Moon Mercury 120 Applicative +01:45:40 - negative


However
skyrack wrote:
PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites
was so descriptive of what happened on the field of play.
Moreover that trine aspect was also testimony (although not the final Moon aspect) in the next game where it was exact but failed to repeat the destuction of the favourites.

johannes susato wrote:
. . . and not to forget the applying conjunction of Mercury with
the antiscion of the Part of Fortune.


Well spotted! A bug in my script skipped these particular checks - corrected now.
Mercury Pars Fortuna 0 Applicative +01:11:02
But still this FAVOURS the underdogs rather than being DESTRUCTIVE for favourites.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skyrack wrote:

However
skyrack wrote:
PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites
was so descriptive of what happened on the field of play.
Moreover that trine aspect was also testimony (although not the final Moon aspect) in the next game where it was exact but failed to repeat the destuction of the favourites.


Nevertheless this combustion is no testimony here,
because its orb is limited in SA* to only 2 degrees!

And why is the trine aspect of the Moon not the final
aspect of the Moon?
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frawley wrote:
Conjunctions only, within a couple of degrees at most.

That is in the context of Nodes aspects to/from Significators and PoF.

Do you have a specific reference to combust being limited to 2 degrees?

That trine was not the last aspect in the next game: Belgium v Portugal.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skyrack wrote:
Frawley wrote:
Conjunctions only, within a couple of degrees at most.

That is in the context of Nodes aspects to/from Significators and PoF.

Do you have a specific reference to combust being limited to 2 degrees
That trine was not the last aspect in the next game: Belgium v Portugal.


With regard to quotations it would be of help to know
whether you work with the book SA itself or only from
your own papers or scripts?
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