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UK General Election -June 8th 2017
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Malcolm Ramsay



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Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone ever looked at the moment Parliament is dissolved, for a general election chart?

It seems to me that the dissolution of Parliament (one minute past midnight on the 3rd of May) will be the moment of irrevocable commitment because, until that happens, there's always a possiblity of the election being cancelled. And, to my mind, it's the campaign which precedes the vote which is really the contest. As I see it, the poll itself is more akin to the judges giving their verdict – obviously a useful chart (for the narrow question of who wins most seats, at least) but only within the constraints of previous relevant charts. There might be some wishful thinking in this, but my instinct is that Mercury stationing conjunct Uranus opposite the MC reflects the potential of the (broader) contest better than the chart for polling day.

Having said that, I generally only use astrology for getting a sense of ebb and flow, so I won't offer an interpretation (and in any case, I'm too involved to be properly objective). However, I am struck by the fact that Theresa May decided on an election while transiting Neptune was about to make its first pass conjunct her natal Mars, with Mercury, Sun and Uranus opposing her natal Neptune, in the middle of a Mercury retrograde (a retrograde which, to my eye, looks like the beginning of an unusually significant Mercury cycle, because of the resonance between the inferior Mercury/Sun conjunction at 0° 20' Taurus and the superior one at 0° 23' Cancer – which will itself resonate with December's Sun/Saturn conjunction at 0° 10' Capricorn).

As Robert Hand says, Neptune conjunct Mars is 'not a good time to strike out to further your own interests in life' so I can't see the decision turning out well for her. Though that doesn't mean she won't significantly increase her majority – there are several ways the election could weaken her even if the vote itself seems to strengthen her.

As an aside, after I noticed that Mercury resonance, I had a quick look at other planets. The next Mars/Sun cycle also looks unusually significant because the conjunction, on the 27th of July, at 4° 12' Leo, will be followed by an opposition next year at 4° 9' Leo/Aquarius. I only looked at a few nearby occurences of both cycles (because I don't have software that makes searching easy) so it may perhaps be more common than I'm assuming, but I couldn't see any pattern in the critical points of either Mercury or Mars cycles. I don't know exactly what significance those sort of resonances might have but I'm inclined to see them as indicators of a critical period.


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Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do I like that ...

"However, I am struck by the fact that Theresa May decided on an election while transiting Neptune was about to make its first pass conjunct her natal Mars, with Mercury, Sun and Uranus opposing her natal Neptune, in the middle of a Mercury retrograde (a retrograde which, to my eye, looks like the beginning of an unusually significant Mercury cycle, because of the resonance between the inferior Mercury/Sun conjunction at 0° 20' Taurus and the superior one at 0° 23' Cancer – which will itself resonate with December's Sun/Saturn conjunction at 0° 10' Capricorn).

As Robert Hands says, Neptune conjunct Mars is 'not a good time to strike out to further your own interests in life' so I can't see the decision turning out well for her. Though that doesn't mean she won't significantly increase her majority – there are several ways the election could weaken her even if the vote itself seems to strengthen her."

When I hear her speak she sounds deluded or very very very cynically manipulative. Both would be the effects of t.Neptune on n.Mars.

I feel she'll be worse off after this Vote though the Country may have a better Parliament. More balanced.

There must be 20,000,000 Voters out there who aren't too pleased about BREXIT.

H


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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real reason for calling the General Election ? :-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4471574/PM-call-snap-vote-bombing-Syria-wins-election.html

Neptune conjoining the MC of the Opening Poll chart, obscuring the truth.
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, I am struck by the fact that Theresa May decided on an election while transiting Neptune was about to make its first pass conjunct her natal Mars ..... As Robert Hands says, Neptune conjunct Mars is 'not a good time to strike out to further your own interests in life' so I can't see the decision turning out well for her.


In my view the outer planet Neptune, along with Uranus and Pluto, operates more or less as an unconscious agent in individuals’ charts [unless they ‘astrologically aware’]

These trans-personals are the Awakeners, mainly for the collective unconscious of groups, societies, countries and nation states. As a result certain individuals arise and become representatives of that particular zeitgeist energy: they appear to be in the right time and place for some collective ‘purpose’. In Neptune’s case it may signify a ‘redeemer’; ‘saviour’ ‘rescuer’ or it may spawn some ideologue with delusional fantasies of grandeur or vision...

Neptune also signifies the great social reformer. The fact it is conjunct the MC in Pisces - ‘the government’- in the election chart seems at odds with the Tory agenda of traditionalism, individualism and privatisation policies etc. Neptune here squares the radix Sun from Gemini/11th who represents the P.M. ‘she is this mutable, airy figure who is it odds with her party and what it represents [her recent speeches often have a socialist slant and seem to speak directly to the ordinary working classes/people, in my view]. Jupiter ruler of the MC stands firm with her [trine] as I outline in my last post.

The symbology of Neptune in Pisces and its ruler Jupiter, along with other related factors, seems well described in the election chart [whether or not the outcome of the election is as I suggest] however we can’t know the full picture of how the transit of Neptune over May’s natal Mars in Pisces will affect her on a personal level, as we don’t know her time of birth.

While her natal Mars appears isolated from the rest of her chart planetary configurations, it may lie hidden in the 12th house [some emotional or personal sacrifice?] or housed in the 4th [a relationship with a father figure may have influence through this transit?] or in an elevated position in the 10th from where she may shine, despite the opposition to natal Jupiter.

(Also the fixed star Regulus may be in close conjunction with her natal Moon, if it’s just at the end of Leo or beginning of Virgo)

Neptune entered Pisces in 2011 and will leave 2025/26: the archetype of the Great Mother Tiamat entering the primordial and chaotic Waters of the deep [represented by Pisces]. Waters that hold Memory and the Creative impulse which spawn its many and varied life forms within the great cycle[s] of Existence. Both Neptune and Pisces are symbolically powerful, deep and mysterious, Macrocosmically, but manifesting, sometimes, in ways we mortals can’t always get to grips with: earthly/geological changes; chaos/deluge, social upheavals, ‘fake news’ delusions and so on. So a great challenge for many societies in general during this 15 year sojourn, which in turn may result in local, national and global political reforms [a generalisation, while not referencing, here, the transit picture of the rest of the outer planets in recent times]

On page 224 of ‘Mundane Astrology’ by Baigent, Campion and Harvey, the section on The Planets explains:

“Neptune is associated more than any other planet with subversion, perhaps because of its rulership of ideals and links with the "ideal society." Hence it rules socialism, and all new visions and dreams of the perfect society, and the people who promote such dreams...”

A natal Mars in Pisces can operate with great inner and emotional strength and is not always a weakened position. And a Neptune transit can draw on its mythology to enhance and expose ‘what lies beneath’ in a very powerful way. But of course it all depends on how the ego/personality can deal with such revelations and sadly, if it’s too much to handle, it may result in patterns of breakdown or odd or unacceptable behaviour.

Liz Greene, in ‘The Astrological Neptune and Quest for Redemption’, discusses Mars/ Neptune in Synastry , the symbology of which could apply equally to ‘a transit to natal’ situation, as is currently shown May’s chart:

“Mars, in turn, tends to flourish in the role of champion and protector, and the Mars person may feel stronger, more potent and more fulfilled because there is a worthy cause to fight for. Mars will happily play the knight and Neptune the damsel in distress; regardless of gender, this is the archetypal dynamic behind the aspect. Mars is St. George, or Perseus, or Jeanne d'Arc, full of clumsy but sincere compassion, ready to strike down the dragon and rescue the prince or princess from danger, imprisonment or the world's lack of understanding. Neptune can invoke a greater sense of power in Mars; Mars can invoke an awareness of fragility and otherworldliness in Neptune”.

In the above named book Greene expands on the Neptunian mythologies and symbologies; on salvation like expectancies within various Millennium sects and gives further personal and political implications of the planet.
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its true the opening of poll chart does have the Conservatives indicated by Moon in Sagittarius but where are you getting the notion that it is the natural significator for the party full stop? Historically, there is quite a strong connection between the Conservatives and Scorpio.


The Conservative and Unionist Party of the 1920's, for example, is rather different from the one we see today. As political parties evolve, i find it difficult to attach any of them to a sign.

Maybe i made a typo -- Jupiter is the natural signifier of Conservatism in general. There are many testimonies to hand - altruism, for example, increases during periods of conservative government.

For philosophical consideration on the subject of Conservatism, may i suggest the following reading material? The Soul of the World and How to be a Conservative by Professor Roger Scruton.

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Its true the opening of poll chart does have the Conservatives indicated by Moon in Sagittarius but where are you getting the notion that it is the natural significator for the party full stop? Historically, there is quite a strong connection between the Conservatives and Scorpio.


From political science papers I downloaded many years ago, ( now the papers seem to form part of a book ‘Social Democratic System’ by Syed Ali Raza) to expand and to attribute astrological significators:

THE SOCIAL ENGINEERS-COLLECTIVISM: This group considers mankind the raw material from which to construct a society.....

CONSERVATISM: A political philosophy that tends to support the status quo and advocates change only in moderation. Conservatism upholds the value of tradition, and seeks to preserve all that is good about the past. Irishman Edmund Burke, in his Reflections on the Revolution in France (1790), compared society to a living organism that has taken time to grow and mature, so it should not be suddenly uprooted.

SOCIALISM: Sharing the same collective view of mankind as communism socialism is a political system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are mostly owned by the state, and used, at least in theory, on behalf of the people (whose 'good' is decided by the legislator). The idea behind socialism is that the capitalist system is intrinsically unfair, because it concentrates wealth in a few hands and does nothing to safeguard the overall welfare of the majority..


Charles Harvey, who also references the work of Andre Barbault, in Mundane Astrology: Cycles in Practice:

Jupiter: Tends to a relaxed liberalism, tolerance, goodwill and moderation, but also a certain moral certainty and religious intolerance. A desire to "play God" encourages paternalism, benevolence from a position of authority, noblesse oblige. Essentially expansive, optimistic, encourages legislation, or negatively legalistic wranglings and disputes, national inflatus and "imperialism".

Saturn: Seeks social order, structure, planning, regulations, controls, material and social security "from womb to tomb", imposes and enforces law and order. Can be strongly disciplinarian, intolerant, extremist, tends to be protectionist, isolationist, and to build "iron curtains".

Uranus: Individualistic, independent, self-reliant, encourages free enterprise, also seeks autonomy and is liable to rebellion and revolution. Tends to be right-wing, but equally to the "fascism of the left". Once in power can be autocratic and totalitarian.

Neptune: Universal and utopian tendencies, collective values, communal, communistic, collectivist, pluralist, left-wing. Can be politically unrealistic, seeking soft options, avoiding confrontation. This can encourage devious, underhand and subversive tactics, "entryism" and "fifth column" methods.

Pluto: The power of the masses, totalitarian, compulsive collective pressures, forces of elimination, regeneration and resurgence. Relates to emerging nations and nations in a state of renaissance and reconstruction. Also to fanaticism, to an obsession with impersonal, collective ideas and ideals. Can indicate the need to purge the body politic of old, deep-rooted problems. Constellated by a leader it can awaken compulsive instincts for power and dominance.


Barbault expands his political theory through the cycles of these planets. For example he sees the Saturn/Uranus 45 year cycle (last synod 1988) essentially as a conservative/authoritarian process which emphasises the politics of order; whereas Saturn/Neptune 36 year cycle (last synod 1989) as a paramount cycle which develops socialism/communism.

Jupiter-Saturn of almost twenty years..... has always been considered of the greatest importance in shaping the course of history. These two planets used to be known as the "Great Chronocrators", or rulers of the ages. Their cycle can be considered the ground base of human development which marks the interaction between the perception of ideas, potentialities, possibilities (Jupiter) and their manifestation in the concrete material world (Saturn)..... As noted under the interpretation of the conjunction this pair has a great deal to do with the development and evolution of social structures and a sense of corporate national identity.

The official UK Labour Party (1900: Neptune 24 Gemini, resonating with Corbyn’s Gemini planets) formed out of “Chartism” which existed from 1838 onwards [around Saturn/Neptune synod]; there is no known definitive chart for the Conservative Party whose “Tory ideology had developed by 1681 which equally loudly supported the monarchy and the Church” (from www.parliament.uk) ie. ‘the establishment’.

The Establishment is rooted in the 1066 chart: Cap/10th and the 1801 chart Cap/4th.

My conclusion is that Saturn is the overall significator for the Conservative party, enveloped and developed in continuing cycles of Jupiter and/or Uranus
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The transit of Mars by the 13 ° Geminis, generates concern for UK, and Theresa May, could happen something !!!, since Theresa has MARTE in 13 ° Pisces, and at the moment Neptune is in conjunction.
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NHS cyber-attack: GPs and hospitals hit by ransomware=(Attack) Mars=13°Geminis(Comunication) Square Neptune/Piscis (Hospital).
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just checking the Moon's position running up to the Vote.

Looks like till we are all tucked up in bed late on the 7th June, the Moon will just still be in Scorpio !!

This is going to be the biggest Roller Coaster imaginable.

H

PS YouGov Poll showing Labour now ONLY -9% behind.

We'll start hearing the scare stories soon from The Tories.
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All-Out Corbyn Victory Likely? https://goo.gl/8eE8Wu
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Javed,

I've read thru some of your blogs.

You'll need to expand the Astrology a bit for me to appreciate what you are saying.

I note that you maybe tying in a recent Solar Eclipse into the UK Election. Perhaps you could expand that as it is a very interesting fact.

Tying in Eclipses is hard thing to do but very significant.

Thanks,

H
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi again Javed,

Thanks for moving your post to this thread. I don't think you should resign your membership.

Yes I agree sometimes this Site seems to welcome only those who already know the answers.

I think all that is hoped for is that we build on each other's knowledge which does mean reading other people's posts.

Share a little more of your workings.

I notice that the 8th of June is a reactivation of the 19° Pisces Eclipse back on the 8th March 2016 by the t.Sun. Now that is significant.

And the Eclipse also receives t.Jupiter in early July. That is heap big medicine.

It is hard to model Eclipses as they can hang around for several if NOT many many years.

I think we have a wild week ahead next week.

Here is a chart I just drew up.

"Could Corbyn win?" 23.27hrs UKST 30th May 2017 Horsham. UK

My charts are usually full of crystal clear information, if ONLY I knew what it meant !!

Corby then is Pluto fueled Capricorn rising v Cancer, using the Mark method. r.Saturn in the 12th trines the Moon in Leo.

Lots of "what's the word?" in there.

Leo intercepted.

Of course Saturn in the 12th isn't great but it is at Home.

Pluto making +VE aspects to the MC and IC ?

H
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding of astrology is only based on the simpler aspects because I see things a little different and do not include all information from mainstream astrology as legitimate.

A point on astrology of political leanings. I have noticed that Libran ascendant tends to lean towards left wing thinking. I have an Aries ascendant and even when surrounded by very left wing people, with no other option. I do not go left wing.

I do not know that we can actually forecast an election because that would mitigate free will. Someone always has the opportunity to accept an influence or rebel against it. As in the case of Uranus the intuitive truth or a hyper rationalised evasion of it.

I would say Theresa will get her mandate and issues to do with the EU will take immediate precedence as shown by Saturn next to the full moon on June 9th and opposing the sun in late Gemini when EU negotiations start.

Jupiter going direct in Libra on June 9th will mean that this ongoing theme of "fairness" we have seen in this election will suddenly be practically applied.

I'm fully expecting June 9th to be a very intense day, possibly with some surprises, owing to these two influences.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Folks,

I just noticed that thru the day of the Vote on the 8th we get a tough aspect between the Sun and r.Pluto via an inconjunction. That can be very stressful and has serious issues as it is between the big themes in our Lives.

The Feral power seeking of r.Pluto in Capricorn. The two faced desperate Sun in Gemini.

That's a right old mess but I suppose by definition inconjunctions deliver that. I wonder if anybody has written up the natural disharmony between Signs in inconjunction?

H

PS Also the 8th June is a reactivation of the 8th March 2016 which was fairly problematic.
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Wow, this forum certainly is empty. This is the fourth day and I have had two responses. None to me specifically just in the same threads as me.

In my understanding Inconjuncts are when things are indirectly connected, but it is not good to directly connect them.

Due to past life reasons (talking to someone from who knew me in a past life as someone very different) in synastry I had many inconjuncts with this person. This meant that coincidentally I never talked directly to them but we both communicated a fair bit (I think) indirectly.

This means that on the election people will be thinking of Plutonian themes i.e. at the moment that would be the "Illuminati". But no one will talk about it directly.
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