First post! Job horary 1 by Jescilito Hello, this is my first post here! Thanks for taking the time to have a look. I've been studying traditional natal astrology for close to a year. I just recently started actually trying to do Horary. So here goes! So I got a call back for a job interview. I cast the chart for the moment I received the phone call. Ruler of the 1st is Saturn, Saturn is in Sagittarius on the cusp of the 11th Saturn is Peregrine Ruler of the 10th is Mars Mars is in Capricorn on the cusp of the 12th Mars is exalted Conj. POF Saturn and Mars do not aspect each other Sun, Separates from a Square to Mars, next applying a Sextile to Saturn. Translation of light? Mars is received by Saturn by Domicile, but Saturn is not in any of Mars' dignities. Moons last aspect was a Sextile to Venus, She is applying closely by Square to Saturn. Her last aspect before leaving Virgo will be a Conj. to Mercury. Analysis Maybe they have had some problems with employees or management recently and have some spots they desperately need to fill (Sun square Mars to sextile of Saturn is what seems to indicate I could get the job) Mars is in my significator Saturns house so I think they will offer me the job. The fact that Saturn is not in any of Mars' dignities. Makes me think I won't take it. Combine that with the fact that Moon is about to Square Saturn also makes me think no. Or at least if I do take the job I could find myself in a difficult situation. Saturn is conj. the 11th, house of my hopes to get a job, but Mars in the 12th Conj. POF makes me think there is something more to this job they don't want prospective employees to know. With Pluto in the 12th, Hidden things coming to light? It's not a job I would take lightly. A caregiver position for the developmentally disabled. I have worked in this field for a few years now and if it looks sketchy it's nothing I want to get myself involved with. I did a quick google search for reviews and many ex-employees said that its not a good company to work for, but, the clients are what make it worth it. There could be a lot more to it, or I could be way off in my analysis. One thing I can't connect is Moon separating from Venus, to conjoin Mercury. Thanks for taking the time to have a look at it. Any thoughts are appreciated. https://s11.postimg.org/585r0l1fn/J_O_B.jpg Quote Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:39 pm
2 by felipeastrologo Here are some comments: Jescilito wrote:So I got a call back for a job interview. I cast the chart for the moment I received the phone call. Make sure to state your question. Is the question: "will I get the job?" Jescilito wrote:Saturn and Mars do not aspect each other If the question is "will I get the job?": if Mars does not aspect Saturn or the Moon does not aspect Mars or there is no translation or collection of light between Saturn and Mars then the answer is negative. However, Mars is going to conjoin Saturn's antiscion. That could bring you a job offer. But Saturn on Antares is not conducive of starting anyting new, and spells the idea of letting go of giving up. Saturn not being in any of Mars' dignities supports that.[/quote] Some technical points: Jescilito wrote:Sun, Separates from a Square to Mars, next applying a Sextile to Saturn. Translation of light? The Sun is applying to sextile Saturn, but it is not separating from a square with Mars. The Sun is separating from a conjunction with Jupiter. Translation of light between Jupiter an Saturn, yes. But not Mars and Saturn. Jescilito wrote:Moon's last aspect was a Sextile to Venus, She is applying closely by Square to Saturn. Another translation of light. But with no relation to the job. Jescilito wrote:Her last aspect before leaving Virgo will be a Conj. to Mercury. That would be a future translation of light. But Mercury has no relation to the job either. Jescilito wrote:There could be a lot more to it Keep it simple. What counts is an aspect between your significators and Mars. The rest of the planets are irrelevant to judgement. If we want to interpret them we are left in the "land of maybe". That is, each planet could signify a number of things and we can never know what exactly. -- Felipe Oliveira http://traditionalmedicalastrology.org http://medicalastrologer.net Quote Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:11 am
3 by Jescilito Hey thanks for the response! Of course the question was if I would get the job or not! Also I was looking for any additional info on the job I could get. If I'm missing something I'm all ears, is this not translation of light? The translation of the light of both Mars and Jupiter to Saturn? If I'm incorrect a page number would be helpful. From what I understand Jupiter is interposing. From what I understand, an interposing planet has signification, but unless it's a malefic it doesn't mean it will hinder the thing from coming to pass. "interposing is a general term meaning 'standing in the middle of'. It can be applied to 'prohibition' which is where two planets are applying to aspect, but before that aspect can perfect, another planet perfects an aspect first. This will mitigate the effects of the applying aspect, for good or bad. " "A good interposing planet can help to lessen the affects of a bad relationship between the other planets and, of course, a bad interposing planet can have a detrimental affect on a relationship that otherwise looks promising." There is a similar example to this on page 182 of Lilly's CA where Moon Separates a Sextile to Mars, Moon then separates from a conjunction of Mercury and applies to conjoin Venus. In this example Mars and Venus are significators to the question, Mercury is not. Am I interpreting all of this Incorrectly? Here is a link to skyscripts glossary and definition of interposing [/url]http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/interposing.html[url] Again I could be way off base. I'm not formally trained in horary by any means, just been studying it on my own so any help is appreciated. ""Jescilito wrote: Moon's last aspect was a Sextile to Venus, She is applying closely by Square to Saturn. Another translation of light. But with no relation to the job."" Moon is supposed to give us an idea of the situation in general correct? Again I'm not sure what the relevance is but I can make my own assumptions. ''''Jescilito wrote: Her last aspect before leaving Virgo will be a Conj. to Mercury. That would be a future translation of light. But Mercury has no relation to the job either."" The Moon again has signification of the entire event. I was simply documenting relevant aspects as I go, to look back on them later. ""Keep it simple. What counts is an aspect between your significators and Mars. The rest of the planets are irrelevant to judgement. If we want to interpret them we are left in the "land of maybe". That is, each planet could signify a number of things and we can never know what exactly."" I think that would create a lot of negative horarys.[/url] Last edited by Jescilito on Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:38 pm, edited 1 time in total. Quote Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:07 pm
4 by Jescilito As an update I was enthusiastically offered the position. It did seem a little sketchy to me. The people who interviewed me were quite rude, they seemed desperate for help. I decided not to take the position, it just didn't feel right. Quote Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:10 pm
5 by Jescilito This has been however, so far, the biggest hurdle in my understanding of horary. I think it is finally making sense. The interposing planet here, only interposes on the planet translating the light. For prohibition to take place it would need to aspect one the significators. I think ? Quote Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:32 pm
6 by felipeastrologo Hi Jescilito, Comments below: Jescilito wrote:If I'm missing something I'm all ears, is this not translation of light? The translation of the light of both Mars and Jupiter to Saturn? No, on two accounts: 1. ToL involves only three "immediately aspecting" planets. In this case: Sun, Jupiter and Saturn. 2. The Sun never aspected Mars in Capricorn. Mars was in Saggitarius the last time the Sun aspected it. That is too far back for consideration in 99.9% of horaries, and other aspects happened in between. Plus, an aspect in a previous sign is rarely of relevance. What matters is the most immediate aspects, and only one aspect, in the sign the planets find themselves in now. The lack of positive receptions from you towards the job is what indicates you would not accept the offer (and Antares). There was no aspect prohibition whatsoever. The aspect that brought you the offer was the Mars-Saturn conjunction by antiscion. There is no other successful aspect in this chart. Jescilito wrote:I'm not formally trained in horary by any means, just been studying it on my own so any help is appreciated. My recommendation is to get formal training with a good teacher. If that is not possible get some horary books by reputable "contemporary" authors. Study them. Then, and only then, get into Lilly. Learning from a dead man from the 18th century is much more difficult than learning from a live teacher or from a book written in the era you live in. That is a basic language and communication issue. Plus, astrology evolves in the minds of the great astrologers and errors have been corrected in knowledge over the years. Jescilito wrote:Moon is supposed to give us an idea of the situation in general correct? Again I'm not sure what the relevance is but I can make my own assumptions. Not in a straight job chart like this. The Moon is simply your co-significator; and it may or may not have any meaning. Here I see no meaning at all, as far as answering your question is concerned. Jescilito wrote:I was simply documenting relevant aspects as I go, to look back on them later. Ok, that is part of the learning process. And the lesson here is that those extra aspects are not relevant. The only relevant aspects in this chart are the ToLs that do not work, because they tell us that they do not connect you to the job, and the Mars-Saturn conjunction by antiscion which does connect you to the job. Jescilito wrote:I think that would create a lot of negative horarys.[/url] As you acquire and refine accurate knowledge (not all knowledge out there is accurate) and get more experience you will learn to discern what must be taken into account and what must be discarded in a horary chart judgement. "Keeping it simple" is a desirable skill to be acquired in horary and directly impacts judgement focus and therefore accuracy. -- Felipe Oliveira http://traditionalmedicalastrology.org http://medicalastrologer.net Quote Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:12 pm