Mark wrote:

I am not saying your evening time is wrong. Frankly how could I? I simply want to reiterate this is a controversial issue for which there is no consensus. Unless Clinton releases her birth certificate we may never know her chart time for sure. So I think anyone writing on her chart needs to accept some degree of uncertainty about the birth data being used.

Of course we all realize that Hillary's birth time is controversial. No disagreement there.

But the AM/PM controversy brings to mind Dr. Suitbert Ertel's test for astrologers where they were asked to identify the charts of painters or politicians. Astrologers could do no better than chance. Hillary Clinton is the consummate politician. As astrologers, why isn't there agreement on which birth chart would belong to a politician? This is a good question for all of us.

Data Update: The astrologer Patrick Watson has sourced a birth certificate for Senator Tim Kaine who is Hillary Clinton's choice as running mate for Vice-President.

Data: 7:59 AM on February 26th, 1958 in St. Paul, Minnesota.

http://www.patrickwatsonastrologer.com/ ... iscovered/

Mark

Nate Silver Latest Projection:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/statu ... 2667188224

Yes but you missed this:

Nate Silver wrote:

Polls-plus is the most accurate, historically. But the now-cast is fun if you like to panic!

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/statu ... 8924699648

However, with the email leaks and information about Clinton infiltration of the Sanders campaign Clinton will do well to come out of the Democratic National Covention without a poll drop let alone a 'bounce'.

Mark

Data Update: The Democratic National convention 2016 opened with the traditional 'gavel in' at 16:18 , 25th July, 2016, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

I assume the DNC will have the same format than the RNC, a lot of talk and at the end she will accept the nomination?

Yuzuru wrote:

I assume the DNC will have the same format than the RNC, a lot of talk and at the end she will accept the nomination?

Yes. Clinton is not speaking until Thursday evening. Its a big build up. Bernie Sanders is up tonight so not one to miss. Michelle Obama too.

Over the next few days we have Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden etc.

Here is the daily timetable of the Convention

https://www.demconvention.com/event-categories/july-25/

Mark

Mark wrote:

Data Update: The astrologer Patrick Watson has sourced a birth certificate for Senator Tim Kaine who is Hillary Clinton's choice as running mate for Vice-President.

Data: 7:59 AM on February 26th, 1958 in St. Paul, Minnesota.

You missed my post on 23 July where I gave this data, and a later post which explained "uncertified birth data?"

I suppose the moon will be already applying sextile sun, and maybe the ASC will be in pisces conj her natal moon... If so, she will be bringing her A game in public relations this night.

Therese Hamilton wrote:

You missed my post on 23 July where I gave this data, and a later post which explained "uncertified birth data?"

No I didn't miss your post Therese. Just to explain I have decided to introduce a signpost marker for useful data with the party logo next to it. Did you not spot this for the RNC?

Many people just casually read posts here and are not interested in posting themselves. They dont want to read through pages and pages of discussion to locate data. Often all browers seek is some data. So I am making this as easy for them as possible. So while the data was in your post the link to the source of it (Patrick watson's blog wasn't). I will be doing this throughout the rest of thread whether members post up data or not.

Mark

If we use an AM birth time for Hillary Clinton, the election ennead chart (in contrast to the PM ennead which I posted earlier) does not look so promising except for natal Jupiter at the IC. But Ketu is with Jupiter.

The astrologer Patrick Watson has written an interesting piece on the controversy over which chart to use for Hillary Clinton:

http://www.patrickwatsonastrologer.com/ ... irth-time/

Mark