navamsha and sinastry (de fow book)

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Hello,
I'm reading De Fouw Svoboda book about sinastry in Vedic astrology (Light on Relationships : The Synastry of Indian Astrology) and trying to understand the navamsha chart.
In short the authors calculate the D-9 navamsha chart of B, then locate B lord of the 7th in A radix chart.
In the book example: John Kennedy's D-9 L1 is Mercury so the D9 L7 is Jupiter: so they search where Jupiter falls in Jackie's radix chart (Jupiter is in Jackie's 8th) and vice versa.
Is this the traditional use of navamsha chart? Which book I could read to dig a little more?
Thanks
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Re: navamsha and sinastry (de fow book)

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I haven't read the book by De Fouw and Svoboda, but the method as you relate it, Margherita, doesn't seem entirely traditional to me. (That is, not entirely in harmony with the textual tradition -- one can always invoke secret oral tradition.) Specifically, using the nav???a (or any subdivision of the signs) as a separate chart, with its own house placements and rulerships, appears to be a modern development. If we compare it, for instance, to the verse referenced by Pankaj, we see that the Phalad?pik? uses only the rulerships of the radix (the r??i-cakra) and projects nav???a positions onto its signs, much as ancient Greek sources do with the dodekatemoria.

One astrologer who was very interested in the uses of the nav???a and wrote several articles and books on the subject was the late C.S. Patel. Moreover, his Sanskrit was better than that of most modern authors, and he took the trouble of digging out some fairly rare sources from manuscript libraries. If the topic interests you, I'd recommend reading Patel.
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Always wonder myself what signification term "navamsa" (or "amsa" generally) may have in the Ancient Indian Astrology. In the classic texts they use navamsas to determinate the profession of the native, although is almost sure that in practice Indian astrologers do not use the navamsas for this, however they can determine the natives' profession with enough accuracy.
Actually I always suspected that a planet being in the navamsa of other planet actually means that that planet is aspected (or conjunct) by the other planet.
Classic texts also use the navamsas expired in the 5th house to determine the number and the sex of native's children, although is quite sure that in practice Indian astrologers use the planets aspecting the 5th house for this, the same rule that we can find in Medieval Astrology at William Lilly.

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nagarjuna wrote: Classic texts also use the navamsas expired in the 5th house to determine the number and the sex of native's children, although is quite sure that in practice Indian astrologers use the planets aspecting the 5th house for this, the same rule that we can find in Medieval Astrology at William Lilly.
Reading De Fouw book I noticed too there are several similarities with Hellenistic astrology, one for all the malefic meaning of the 6th and 8th house.
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Margherita,

Concerning books on vargas, besides C.S. Patel's book on navamsa, there is one by V.P. Goel, Comprehensive Prediction by Divisional Charts, Sagar Publishers. He covers all vargas, including Shodasha Varga, Tajika vargas and few others less used. Filled with examples.
http://shop.saptarishisastrology.com/in ... 53&group=0

Can't tell if he only used traditional techniques, neverthless, I find it very useful!

Pankaj,

Thank you for the link to Mantreswar's Phala Deeipka: surely a better edition than that of G.S Kapoor, I already have...
Regards,
François CARRIÈRE

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carriere.francois wrote:Margherita,

Concerning books on vargas, besides C.S. Patel's book on navamsa, there is one by V.P. Goel, Comprehensive Prediction by Divisional Charts, Sagar Publishers. He covers all vargas, including Shodasha Varga, Tajika vargas and few others less used.
Thanks, Francois

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I've just started to study V. P. Goal's book on Divisional Charts, which had been sitting on my bookshelf for a few years. I'll try to comment on the book a little later. But, as everyone knows, these varga or divisional charts are computed in the sidereal zodiac, and if the ayanamsa used is wrong, the divisional charts will be wrong.

As these charts are all "sign as house," a wrong ayanamsa will place some planets in different divisional signs and houses. Most astrologers who use India's astrological systems find that Lahiri's ayanamsa works well. The Krishnamurti ayanamsa works even better in my experience, and it is only a very small shift of about 6 minutes from Lahiri, about one degree in the navamsa chart.

For maybe 30 years I've been using planetary overlaps from the navamsa to the natal chart and house cusps and reading them as conjunctions. But the degrees have to be close, within maybe 5-7 degrees. Generally I keep the orb to under 3 degrees for (equal) cusps.

Many Indian astrology programs don't calculate divisional charts by degree, so then the charts have to be read individually without reference to the natal chart except when using (navamsa) sign dispositors in the natal chart. This is recommended especially for the 10th house in some classical texts. (As for example if the 10th lord is in Leo navamsa, then look to the Sun in the natal chart for details about the 10th house.)

It's a matter of debate about which (if any) aspects between planets are read in the divisional charts, but these are always taken between relevant signs. This is why a correct ayanamsa is needed in reading the charts. But the signs themselves in divisional charts are always important for planetary strength or weakness, and for judging events in dasa periods. K. N. Rao has some really good examples of how to use divisional charts for timing in some of his books.

Therese
http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm

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Therese Hamilton wrote:
For maybe 30 years I've been using planetary overlaps from the navamsa to the natal chart and house cusps and reading them as conjunctions. But the degrees have to be close, within maybe 5-7 degrees. Generally I keep the orb to under 3 degrees for (equal) cusps.

Therese
Thanks Therese. Is it true in sinastry too? I can compare B's navamsa with A's radix and A's navamsa with B's navamsa?

Or I should use A's d-9 chart with A's radix chart only?

Margherita
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Margherita wrote:
Thanks Therese. Is it true in sinastry too? I can compare B's navamsa with A's radix and A's navamsa with B's navamsa?

Or I should use A's d-9 chart with A's radix chart only?
Hi Margherita,

The navamsa signs are like little bells that have the same tone as the big zodiac sign bells. So these signs can be crossed between charts for different people, both natal and navamsa. I usually keep orbs fairly small, but this isn't traditional in India where for a long time only navamsa signs were noted rather than degrees.

A navamsa planet in A's chart conjunct a planet in B's natal chart will definitely be a connection, compatible or otherwise depending on the planets. D9 charts can also be compared to each other. Each of the 12 different tones or colors can be matched with each other. But no crossover conjunctions or aspects that would be out of sign.

I'll see if I can find some good examples.

Therese
http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm