Astrology and false-Astrology 1 by Eka Astrology and false-Astrology. ( exposing the deception of false astrologers) As we know Astrology is a spiritual science and as a knowledge it always belonged only to the spiritual grade of people. World is falling to his spiritual degradation and Kali- Yuga (Dark Age) is called so, because it is a time when ignorance predominates a more and now all those who are not supposed to, are meddle in this spiritual science, calling themselves by astrologers have no right on it. Nowadays almost anyone can practice astrology, her crazy version if more correctly say, where the basic principles of the laws Being are not complied. This is nothing surprising, because for practicing astrology is necessary to understand these laws, and also to obtain secret spiritual knowledge, which can not be given to a wide audience. Now about everything in sequence, as the matter mind understand information better when it?is given on the points for him, then further we go to the points of the astrological deception present days: 1. There is no relocation. This false method used for constructing astrological chart those who does not have a true knowledge. First you need to define what is the individual soul for which constructed birth chart. The soul is a motionless particle of Motionless God it?s an undeniable law of the scriptures. The soul is pure, eternal and unlimited as a God, but staying in materia it is bound by the Maya ( illusion), which is the own energy of God. Soul perceives this world, created by illusion through the senses, organs of action and the subtle consciousness. And bound upon illusion manifestations of sound, touch, form, taste and smell, as well as a variety of energy it accepts as its own, and all these transformations are the effects of God?s energy (also called Shakti). And if soul is stationary and do not move, that means there is no relocation of true astrology, and in the birth chart we need to watch the movement of consciousness. Judge for yourself common sense, as it is possible to perceive moving objects while being on the move ?? it is given below a good example how Swami Vivekanda describes it: ??The mind and body are like two layers in the same substance, moving at different rates of speed. Relatively, one being slower and the other quicker, we can distinguish between the two motions. For instance, a train is in motion, and a carriage is moving alongside it. It is possible to find the motion of both these to a certain extent. But still something else is necessary. Motion can only be perceived when there is something else which is not moving. But when two or three things are relatively moving, we first perceive the motion of the faster one, and then that of the slower ones. How is the mind to perceive? It is also in a flux. Therefore another thing is necessary which moves more slowly, then you must get to something in which the motion is still slower, and so on, and you will find no end. Therefore logic compels you to stop somewhere. You must complete the series by knowing something which never changes. Behind this never-ending chain of motion is the Purusha, the changeless, the colourless, the pure..? (SWAMI VIVEKANANDA PATANJALI YOGA APHORISMS) And purusha is the soul, particle of God-Purusha, read Vedanta and you know it. About motionless of the soul can be found in Hermeticism prophet Hermes, in Vedanta, in the Gospel, in knowledges surviving in the scriptures that gave the world the prophets or saints. That?s some excerpts of them: ?..Unmoving, It is one, faster than the mind. The senses cannot reach It, for It proceeds ahead. Remaining static It overtakes others that run. On account of Its presence, Matarsiva (the wind) conducts the activities of beings?? ( The Isa-Upanishad) ?..One should contemplate upon Omkara as Ishvara resembling an unshaken light, as of the size of a thumb and as motionless in the middle of the pericarp of the lotus of the heart?? (Dhyana-Bindu Upanishad) ?..I am of the form of all effulgence, I am the effulgence of pure consciousness. I am beyond the three durations (past, present and future) and I am free from passion, etc. I am above the body and its dweller and I am unique, devoid of attributes. I am beyond liberation, I am liberated and I am always devoid of final emancipation. I am above truth and untruth, I am always nothing other than pure Existence. I am not obliged to go to any place, being free of movement, etc. I am always equanimous, I am quiescence, the greatest being (Purushottama); one who has his own experience thus is without doubt myself.? (Maitreya Upanishad) That soul is omnipresent, unchangeable and unmoving Krishna says about to Arjuna in Bhagavad-Gita. of Hermes Trismegist doctrine: ..There is nothing permanent, nothing established, nothing unmoving among the birth, neither in the sky nor on the ground. These qualities inherent only to a God.. ..God has always been unmoving, Eternity is unmoving with Him. And movement is the condition of time.. ?.. unmoving, established as a starting point for any movement, it must be in the first place due to its permanence. God and Eternity are the beginning of all things; moving world can not be in the first place??[/i] ???????????.. Want to find more, read the scriptures. As soul is unmoving particle of Unmoving God, then it stays always at one point and watching actions of the pictures of the world, and as it mentioned, so we must be able to see the movement of consciousness in the birth chart. Therefore conclusion - those who use relocation at construction of charts are not a true astrologers. As regards that same point where is the soul, come to the second item: 2. In horoscopes of false-astrology there is no simply that point of the soul location in the space and at construction individual birth charts used coordinates of the city location as it may be for the birth of other thousands at this city, and this is another crazy of pseudo-astrology our days. Merely precise astrology knowledge is a warped, so that for lack of knowledge has become easier to practice this type of fraud, and therefore used unnecessary planets as that allows to apply in the treatment of personality in astropsychology. After all, true knowledge is given only to a few. 3. The pseudo-astrology used unnecessary planets that are not belong to the planets of individual destiny encode. Turn to the Vedic knowledge, of Upanishad in the first question of the origin of life and matter, says: .. ?Others call him The Father, who live high above the sky to the south, He pentameter7 and the twelve-sided8.. Others call him the omniscient, who live to the north and having six spokes and seven wheels9..? ____________ 7. Five times of Hindu year. 8. 12 months 9. 7 planets..? Many of those who call themselves astrologers, but in fact they are astrocharlatans who in constructing of birth charts using interpretation contained in texts Brihat-Parasara-Hora-Shastra, and proudly declares they practice of Vedic astrology, but in fact it?s the impudent lie. After The Maharishi Parasara in their descriptions of construction birthday charts does not use such planets as Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, nor find them in Jaimini Maharishis Sutras! so in ancient astrology texts of the Saint wise men, that are the authoritative sources stating the principles of a Vedic astrology, these planets are no. And thus Uranus, Neptune and Pluto not belong to planets encoding individual destiny, and not to mention the Proserpine, Chiron and may still any needed to some as the plus veil on the perception already mired in the illusion. So it?s used only by pseudo-astrologers of the astropsychology, because without unnecessary planets they simply could not practice this type of fraud. 4. And to understand that, you can look on the essence of the so-called astropsychology - the science of false-astrology practitioners, that uses in their interpretations of horoscope the general concepts applicable for everyone. Think for yourself. For example, take to analyze the article about the Forer effect. Forer effect ?The Barnum effect, also called the Forer effect, is the observation that individuals will give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people... In 1948, psychologist Bertram R. Forer gave a psychology test?his Diagnostic Interest Blank?to a group of his psychology students who were told that they would each receive a brief personality vignette or sketch based on their test results. One week later Forer gave each student a purportedly individualized sketch and asked each of them to rate it on how well it applied. In reality, each student received the same sketch. On average, the students rated its accuracy as 4.26 on a scale of 0 (very poor) to 5 (excellent). Only after the ratings were turned in was it revealed that each student had received an identical sketch assembled by Forer from a newsstand astrology book.[2] The sketch contains statements that are vague and general enough to apply to most people. In another study examining the Forer effect, students took the MMPI personality assessment and researchers evaluated their responses. The researchers wrote accurate evaluations of the students? personalities, but gave the students both the accurate assessment and a fake assessment using vague generalities. Students were then asked to choose which personality assessment they believe was their own, actual assessment. More than half of the students (59%) chose the fake assessment as opposed to the real one..? All of the above is for members of the forum who come to the astrological forums for help, to first think what instead of help they get and from whom. And as an appeal to astrocharlatans society for understanding their deception, so they are based on a delusion in its ?astrological? work, and even more given the bullshit for others. Though I understand there always will be someone who even in explaining the real state of affairs will let to cheat himself. Everyone decides what to accept and what not, and only the sane chooses truth, not a lie. P.S. Sorry for my defective English, I have it basic with a dictionary. Good luck to everyone in education, who seeking true knowledge for itself. Quote Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:12 pm
2 by Jupiterhead Cool. What Ayanamsa do you use? If it's not astronomically true, it's not astrologically true. Quote Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:12 pm
Re: Astrology and false-Astrology 3 by jventura Eka wrote:(...) calling themselves by astrologers have no right on it. (...) This is nothing surprising, because for practicing astrology is necessary to understand these laws, and also to obtain secret spiritual knowledge, which can not be given to a wide audience. (...) Hi there, i always stop reading these things when people think they are superior than others because they understand the "law" and have the "secret spiritual knowledge" that the others don't have.. There are lots of astrologers out there that do not understand astrological techniques and use the "truly superior inspiration" to fill the holes left by their own lack of knowledge. Astrology is a science in the sense that it is a body of knowledge. The best way to be serious with astrology is to understand its rules, apply them and do serious empirical research with it. Currently there is no way to scientifically demonstrate how astrology works. We cannot quantify success rates for any given technique, or even be sure that any results could be (somewhat) scientifically reproducible. Therefore we must leave "gods" and "superior inspiration" kind-of-talking out of it and really try to search for these answers.. "Superior inspiration" and that kind of talk is the level where charlatans and most new-age naive people play. Most people do a disservice to Astrology when they use those kind of arguments! Regards, Jo?o Ventura Quote Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:46 pm
Re: Astrology and false-Astrology 4 by Eka Here are two links to the article ? As children are born under the law of esoterica?: http://pub9.bravenet.com/forum/static/s ... ecent&cp=0 - on this link read from bottom to top and that another link of this article - http://pub9.bravenet.com/forum/static/s ... &frmid=260 My acquaintance is a big expert in this astrology. You can write on his forum, here is the link http://seth.forumcity.com/index.php . If you want, you can to order horoscope for you there. You can write as well in English, and site will try to translate it. You can also do translate articles from this site of the Thread "Astrology". I registered on this site under the nickname Milashka Syu and at the link below is the thread are my translations of some Upanisads[size], link - http://seth.forumcity.com/viewtopic.php ... c&start=40 Quote Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:31 pm
5 by james_m hi eka, your post might be better suited to the philosophical forum.. i disagree with some of the viewpoints and stopped reading it fairly early on.. i immediately thought of astrological fundamentalism rearing it's ugly head.. we see it in religion all the time.. to see it in astrology is less common.. Quote Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:18 pm
Re: Astrology and false-Astrology 6 by Eka jventura wrote:Eka wrote:(...) calling themselves by astrologers have no right on it. (...) This is nothing surprising, because for practicing astrology is necessary to understand these laws, and also to obtain secret spiritual knowledge, which can not be given to a wide audience. (...) Hi there, i always stop reading these things when people think they are superior than others because they understand the "law" and have the "secret spiritual knowledge" that the others don't have.. There are lots of astrologers out there that do not understand astrological techniques and use the "truly superior inspiration" to fill the holes left by their own lack of knowledge. Astrology is a science in the sense that it is a body of knowledge. The best way to be serious with astrology is to understand its rules, apply them and do serious empirical research with it. Currently there is no way to scientifically demonstrate how astrology works. We cannot quantify success rates for any given technique, or even be sure that any results could be (somewhat) scientifically reproducible. Therefore we must leave "gods" and "superior inspiration" kind-of-talking out of it and really try to search for these answers.. "Superior inspiration" and that kind of talk is the level where charlatans and most new-age naive people play. Most people do a disservice to Astrology when they use those kind of arguments! Regards, Jo?o Ventura turns, that you contradict to itself in your own words. see, astrology is an esoteric science because it was originally given to the world by the ancient prophets. After all, even if someone uses now works on astrology erudites of our time, any case, they have base of it from antiquity. And the ancient sages got this knowledge from God. Simply, they is already highly evolved souls who came into the world to teach others. Do not confuse spirituality with religion, the latter only in the way awareness of the unity of the soul with God, and when prophets came to the intended sociums to raise them in the development by gave them spiritual knowledge of Being, only the foundations, but the mind can distort it knowledge and construct religion for pasture. Last edited by Eka on Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:43 am, edited 1 time in total. Quote Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:18 am
7 by Eka james_m wrote:hi eka, your post might be better suited to the philosophical forum.. i disagree with some of the viewpoints and stopped reading it fairly early on.. i immediately thought of astrological fundamentalism rearing it's ugly head.. we see it in religion all the time.. to see it in astrology is less common.. Philosophy (from the Greek. ?????????, literally: the love of wisdom) - particular form knowledge of the world that produces a system of knowledge about the most general characteristics, concepts and fundamental principles of reality (of life), and knowledge life of the person, the relation of man and the world. To be an astrologer need to be wise too. To be a wise and philosophy is not a part does not belong to the life of such a person. You write that did not read up, and we would look with pleasure on your rebuttal to the points of view, that are on items in my first message. To be seen evidently, may ugliness that was attributed by you to other, could be called in reply even more ugly words, describing curve thinking of the addressing side?? Quote Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:30 am
8 by james_m eka, english doesn't ''appear'' to be your first language.. i am trying to be more responsive to you by saying this! ever try arguing with someone who believes you must accept jesus into your life in order to be saved? your initial message comes across the very same way which is why i referred to the idea of astrological fundamentalism here... i have no difficulty challenging your initial post, but after reading your first bolded comment here : Eka wrote: 1. There is no relocation. This false method used for constructing astrological chart those who does not have a true knowledge. i didn't see the point.. and, yes i see this as a philosophical discussion... ''true'' knowledge? you are going to tell us what is true or not true!! thanks, but no thanks! this is my last comment to you.. the moderators appear to be on holiday here.. have at it, lol... Quote Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:48 am
9 by Eka james_m wrote:eka, english doesn't ''appear'' to be your first language.. i am trying to be more responsive to you by saying this! ever try arguing with someone who believes you must accept jesus into your life in order to be saved? your initial message comes across the very same way which is why i referred to the idea of astrological fundamentalism here... i have no difficulty challenging your initial post, but after reading your first bolded comment here : Eka wrote: 1. There is no relocation. This false method used for constructing astrological chart those who does not have a true knowledge. i didn't see the point.. and, yes i see this as a philosophical discussion... ''true'' knowledge? you are going to tell us what is true or not true!! thanks, but no thanks! this is my last comment to you.. the moderators appear to be on holiday here.. have at it, lol... About salvation. Jesus said to you that all who are born in this world will not enter into the Kingdom of the God. This world belongs to religion, that is of the Soulful, and it existing for a belief raising. But the prophets come into this world from the spiritual levels. If you're hold the opinion of the authorities of the world, then your deeds are bad. Because in the world there are more fools than reasonable ones. Quote Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:10 am
10 by Paul I don't know what Mark think of this thread, but this site has never been about promoting one form of astrology, or indeed "truth", above all others. I recommend you try to be more inclusive and accepting of different mind sets and approached with your posts. "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" - Socrates https://heavenlysphere.com/ Quote Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:04 am
11 by Mark Reading this thread brings to mind a powerful line from the great Irish writer WB Yeats from his poem ''The Second Coming'' ''The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.'' http://www.potw.org/archive/potw351.html I take Yeats' reference to a lack of conviction to imply a tolerant, inclusive and open minded attitude that our views are only ever a provisional and parallax take on reality. The consequences of the opposite approach have let loose the most pernicious and destructive ideologies in human history whether religious or secular. I am not suggesting a dogmatic astrological outlook is quite that serious but it does seem a very limited way to approach our rich and highly diverse astrological lineage. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:05 pm
12 by Mjacob A serious reply but put most beautifully - by Mark and WB Matthew Goulding Quote Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:31 pm