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james_m wrote:thanks.

i see this as a philosophical type question.

..... but then 10 years ago she was also in what looked like a very positive relationship. things can change, and one can't know how life will unfold for her younger sister in 10 years time.
True. Great point.

I won't quote the next two paragraphs of your reply but I appreciate your input. That was, in a way, one of my first impressions as well- the fact that her ruler receiving the applications, to me, also looked like a signal that was potentially saying that she will have to obey to the rhythm of her own life. As smart and percautious her question sounds, sometimes, it is also about the right timing- it might not be the best answer in terms of being able to change the course of your life but, at the same time, it can bring a relief since it would mean that she is not making all that many mistakes, after all.


but the signs are bi-corporal and imply change, as opposed to something fixed.
Another great point. I checked her Natal and some of the most important planets are either in mutable or bi-corporeal signs as well.
perhaps the obstacle is in her philosophical position with regard to relationships - saturn in the 9th being some sort of impediment to her being able to adopt a more broad and philosophical outlook on her present situation. saturn rules the 12th in this chart as well..
This is worth examining. Again, thank your for the input.
the realization that one can't have babies past a certain time. i don't know if this is a concern for her or not.
I haven't really discussed it with her but, I can imagine that thoughts of this kind have crossed her mind more than once.
The Moon opposing Venus/Neptune may show her frame of mind right now, her desire to love someone and her fears and uncertainty arising.
Obviously, it is a Horary chart and it is expected that it puts an accent onto the things that concern her the most at them moment. In addition, it is descriptive of her current psychological condition and thoughts.

Thank you for this reply!

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thanks aglaya!

the last quote in your post is from kali.
kali wrote: The Moon opposing Venus/Neptune may show her frame of mind right now, her desire to love someone and her fears and uncertainty arising.
kali
i hadn't really put any thought into neptunes position, but i think it's a worthwhile consideration to this chart and one that both kali and morpheus highlight. i think an element of idealization is a strong factor when most younger women think of loving and lasting relationships or marriage specifically. it's a dream. whether one can realize the dream, or live to accept all the ins and outs that usually go with the dream, depends on her.. or maybe the other has to be included to share the same dream or see the beauty in this dream.. the trine between neptune and jupiter tell me her heart is in the right place.. while the moon might be opposed to neptune - it's also moving towards a sextile to jupiter too - all positive as i see it, so long as rose coloured glasses are not the only kind she wears, lol..

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james:
the trine between neptune and jupiter tell me her heart is in the right place.. while the moon might be opposed to neptune - it's also moving towards a sextile to jupiter too - all positive as i see it
Couldn't agree with you more! The longer term aspect I see is Jupiter making a trine to Chiron representing someone with optimism and an ability to follow her own inner guidance.

kali

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Hi, again!
the last quote in your post is from kali.
Yes, I tried to reply to all of you yesterday however, I didn't have enough time.
i hadn't really put any thought into neptunes position, but i think it's a worthwhile consideration to this chart and one that both kali and morpheus highlight. i think an element of idealization is a strong factor when most younger women think of loving and lasting relationships or marriage specifically. it's a dream. whether one can realize the dream, or live to accept all the ins and outs that usually go with the dream, depends on her.. or maybe the other has to be included to share the same dream or see the beauty in this dream.. the trine between neptune and jupiter tell me her heart is in the right place.
The chart is offered for a discussion and other astrologers are encouraged to follow their own principles - those who generally don't pay a lot of attention to the outer planets are perfectly free to do so here a well. Their inputs will still be valuable to me.
Personally, i only give the outer planets a closer look if they occupy an important degree. In this particular case, considering the nature of the Question, I find it extremely influential and helpful- probably the most acitve outer planet I have had in a chart so far. It is cinjunct the Ascendant, conjunct the planet that naturally rules the area of the Querent's biggest interest (on Ascendant) and receiving the applications of other relevant planets.
Since a planet conjunct the Ascendant tells a lot about the person, just out of curiosity, I asked the client in a short email yesterday if she writes poetry. :) Today, I received a reply fro her- when she was 25, on her friend's initiative, she published a few poems in a poetry book together with a few other authors. Without even knowing that I was asking this in order to check the influence of the Venus/Neptune conjunction on her Asc, she added that she also occasionally writes for an online magazine only under a pseudonym - people know who she is however, her pseudonym itself is quite recognisable in the online magazines community. I instantly remembered one fo the first mystery natal charts given to me a a test some 10 years ago- it was Peter Selers' chart. I'd have to find it again but, at first signt, it looked like a chart of someone who would spend their life doing "back-stage" jobs whilst, in reality, the energy was transformed into performance; he became popular as Pink Panther (hidden behind his character and often identified with him).
Her story actually supports what most of you noticed- that this strong influence can actually be transformed into something constructive and positive. Neptune/Venus opposition with the Moon across the 1st/7th axis is indeed openly suggesting that the Querent's wishes are potentially unrealistic. In addition, it could be saying that she tends to idolise her significant other (is there a worse combination- failing to fall in love because no one is good enough for you and then, one you do fall in love only with a wrong person, making him a everything he isn't and being unable to end harmful relationships). I later remembered that the Querent mentioned that some of her boyfriends loved to drink (we aren't really talking about alcoholics but, at times, she would become upset with their behaviour). Yet another testimony of the Neptune/Venus influence from Pisces.

I already mentioned that the Querent is originally an artist who has been working outside her field of studies for a awhile now. She says that, 10 years ago, this situation would look like an enormous defeat however, today, she is actually happy that life has given her a chance to try something else. This could be yet another key to solving her "problem" and another additional testimony that she copes with life twists easily. You can call something a defeat or simply a change of course- she chooses the second option which makes me believe that she is capable of applying this same principle onto her private life as well and it is surely something I will discuss with her.
The longer term aspect I see is Jupiter making a trine to Chiron representing someone with optimism and an ability to follow her own inner guidance.
Nice point. Because, she isn't really desperate, pragmatic more likely- I think i have a problem, let's see if we can do anything about it!

Thank you both for your help.

ueret

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Morpheus wrote:aglaya,

Thanks for sparing the rod.
:)
As long as you don't get spoiled! :)
I was expecting a rather cold reply keeping in view the seemingly controversial analysis. ....You must be wondering, ahh!!! 'Aspies must be loosers, on the contrary, God has compensated them with extraordinary intelligence and out of the world abilities in one or more fields of life which takes care of bread and butter (and fame and fortune). Most of them score above average in IQ Tests and can easily qualify for membership of 'Mensa'.
I didn't expect a provocation so, I respected your reply. In a way, both in general and in terms of this chart, I think that your logic akes quite a lot of sense. I don't necessarily agree with it entirely but, I do find it not only intricate but actually helpful. (By the way, i'm sure that many astrologers here would appreciate to read more about your experience with the charts of people with Asperger syndrome in the Natal studies section.).

When examined from one side (from the Ascendant), this complex influence (Venus/Neptune/Moon/Jupiter) says a lot about the Qurenet. On the other hand, when examined from the other side (from DC) it says something about the Querent's potential partners and love life in general. Since it is mostly the other planets that are applying to her ruler and the Asc, yes, we can expect that they're saying something about the outer influence or people who are most likely to leave a mark in her life. Stressful aspects suggest troublesome relationships, nice ones, especially if supported by a nice reception, suggest positive influence and well balanced relationships.
So, you were actually right to notice some patterns and I find it very interesting that you spotted the similarities with the charts of people with specific social or behavioural issues. In a way, this could a good lead. The Querent wants to know as to how to improve her love life and, obviously, one part of the answer could be to pay more attention to people who can be described by these planets (it needn't necessarily be Asperger's). Personally, i would say that she is very open to such suggestions, she even confessed once that shy people and men ho don't socialise easily attract her and that she would gladly approach someone like that herself. She finds shy people interesting, mysterious (Venus/Neptune works here) and "elegant" in their behaviour. She is also very aware of the fact that many people cannot express their true qualities easily which is why she loves meeting people. The opposites attract and, whilst she is obviously attracted to people so significantly different than her, it isn't hard to imagine that people who lack in social skills or don't have enough courage or ability to express themselves properly, would feel comfortable in presence of a person like her- talkative, smart, eloquent..and, at the same time, tolerant and patient.
So, yes, it is something worth thinking about and I don't intend to dismiss your suggestion easily. Like I said, you pinpointed an example but, this logic can be expanded. The Querent would surely have a few ideas.

The reason for my initial reaction is that, although I don't think that people significantly different than us should be labeled "disabled" (you're right, we might be taalking about Bil Gates who,by the way, has Jupiter near the point of its exaltation inside the 2nd in his Natal chart :D )- and I said that earlier, I would not want the "issue" to be the connector. Because, if someone connects with another person just because the other person is "needy" in any way, she is ot doing herself a favour. We don't want her to become engaged in a relationship in which she will feel security only because the other person is dependant on her (for any reason). But if, however, your suggestion goes along the lines of suggesting the Querent to be ore open minded and to expect that her ideal is potentially a person who is not generally perceived as ideal, then I can agree with you.
Most sought after like Morpheus

Last line was not a joke
I'm not laughing!
nd the answer is that people like 'Morpheus' are picked up early in life.
I'll give you my opinion- there are good guys and good combinations of people. Morpheus sometimes get picked by wrong women which is why women, who were picked up early by equally wrong men, find their Morpheuses at the age of 40. ;)

My wife told me a proverb few days ago. Let me translate.

"If you happen to pass by a tree full of red apples, dont stop to eat them. Because they must be bitter"
Obviously, I will have to disagree with this. Because, at the same time, many rotten apples are sitting on someone's table.

I would say that this is a fight subjective vs. objective. As astrologers, we know that some people are late bloomers (retrograde Ascendant rulers, stressful Mars/Saturn aspects) and need time to grow. More importantly, they often need to overcome obstacles in order to grow. Some people learn through personal issues, others through professional ups and downs or health issues. a man can be a good husband at the age of 20 but fail to become a good worker for the next 20 years. on the other hand, some people are perfectly capable of earning fortunes at a very early age but, don't feel secure enough to become parents until the age of 40. It's not all that simple.
To this I may add that a heart broken person is very likely to spend a few years healing her wounds before she manages to move on with her life. Should she accept a suitor when she is not ready, there is a risk of both being hurt again and hurting someone unintentionally. Should she wait until she is ready; and assuming that she was 27 when she got heartbroken and that she didn't feel like dating for the next 5 years, we are looking at a 30+ yo woman. Is she a rotten apple? No. She is just 32 and only now ready to move on.
For what its worth, many people who suffer from Asperger syndrome are perceived as bitter apples that no one wants (there must be something wrong with them, aye?!) :)

Finally, cultural differences need to be included in the analysis - in many European countries, the average age when people get married (for the first time) is around 30. In addition to this, i may add that in my area, over 50% of young married couples who get married between the ages of 20 and 30, apply for a divorce within the next 3 years. So, being single at the age of 35 really doesn't mean that all the ships have already sailed - there are certainly many men in her position at the moment. She only wants to know, why she keeps on and on attracting exactly the kind of man that she doesn't think are good for her.

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algaya,

It refers to your last post.

Most of what you say falls in category of exceptions. I pray that it holds good for the Querent...

The Moon is actually few degrees before the cusp of 7th house. Technically we include it in 7th house but more as it being 'controlling' the 7th house and suffocating all of it matters in the obsessive way. The reign is so tight that people coming in contact with Querent have to compare her to past relationships and they find past relationships much loving/better than her. It is not that she attracts as a magnet certain sort of negative people, but her behaviour elicits a certain response (mostly of comparing her) from the men. Couple it with the indication that she wants all the freedoms of 5th house and Neptune smack on Ascendent.

You should settle on whether she is 32 or 35. In first post you wrote that she would be 35 this year. In last post show wrote that she is 'just 32'. Because if she is just 32 than I have more hopes of her settling down (not based on this horary chart).

There are few countries where average age of first marriage is above 30 for females, however, for Serbia it reads it as 26.6 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_at_first_marriage

Interestingly Scandinavian countries have the average age of first marriage on the higher side. Iceland also has it on higher side. Does it has something to do with cold climate? or a cultural having a liberal attitude towards causal and informal relationships?

The proverb of 'A Tree full of Apples' could be counted as a fact. Proverbs similar to this might be present in your culture too. In a financial culture it is akin to 'Ponzi Schemes' where the investment is alleged to be sound and less risky but claiming returns more than the average.

The data at my disposal puts the average age of 'Aspergers' earlier than 30 years (both sexes), it is not that they are bitter apples :lol: . Their peculiar brain fails to register when some one is taking interest in them. They are unable to read the 'non-verbal' signals of some one taking interest in them.

The Morpheuses, Horatios and Gryffindors of this era are still picked up early. :lol: The exceptions being Scientists and Professors (they hold themselves for the doctorate).

The 'Law of Averages' might not seem to favour the 'Querent', but who knows, she might belong to exceptional category. After all this is a Horary Chart and not her Birth Chart. One thing I want to ask is, 'Is this the first serious questions she has asked you?', because then the Neptune smack on Ascendent would be a permanent factor of her personality otherwise it is a temporary factor affecting her outlook at the time of asking the question. In my experience, Neptune conjunct a significator or an angle is not a positive sign. Neptune smack on Ascendent tells us of a 'delusional, deceptive, confused, betrayed or lying person. The planet associated with poetry is Venus. Which is also smack on ascendent. Venus 1 or 2 degrees before the cusp of Ascendent is actually 'controlling' the first house.

1. Is she exceptionally pretty?
2. Is she curvaceous?
3.Is her natal sun or moon (including Venus) in the signs of Taurus or Libra?
4. Is she a little bit dark skinned as compared to the average colour of the females of her region/country?
5. Does the first letter of her proper name begin with a letter R, T, I, B or W?
6. Is her height a tad on the shorter side as compared to the other women of her region/country?

If yes, then I have the good news for her. The last 2 years were definitely hard for her concerning relationships but things would turn good in mid 2015 and on wards.

che sara, sara
Regards

Morpheus

https://horusastropalmist.wordpress.com/

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Morpheus wrote:algaya,

The Moon is actually few degrees before the cusp of 7th house. Technically we include it in 7th house but more as it being 'controlling' the 7th house and suffocating all of it matters in the obsessive way. The reign is so tight that people coming in contact with Querent have to compare her to past relationships and they find past relationships much loving/better than her. It is not that she attracts as a magnet certain sort of negative people, but her behaviour elicits a certain response (mostly of comparing her) from the men.
Firstly, I agree that the Moon is inside the 7th. Secondly, what you wrote actually resonates with the Querent's reasons for asking the Question- she feels that the story usually unfolds in exactly that way. To this I may add that she usually doesn't feel neglected, unloved or compared to her partners' ex lovers in a negative way-they don't idealise their ex girlfriends, they just can't get over the trauma if being abandoned.
Couple it with the indication that she wants all the freedoms of 5th house and Neptune smack on Ascendent.
The 5th, in this type of question could be indicative of the person's wish to have a baby so, it is worth being open minded when it comes to this house especially since Jupiter exalted inside Cancer (and in 5th) says a lot about motherhood, fertility and babies.
In addition, the Querent is originally an artist and I wouldn't be surprised if her wish to become a loved woman is tightly interlaced with her wish to go back to her original profession again as well -- going back to her original path.
You should settle on whether she is 32 or 35. In first post you wrote that she would be 35 this year. In last post show wrote that she is 'just 32'. Because if she is just 32 than I have more hopes of her settling down (not based on this horary chart)
She is 35, I may have made a mistake in one of my previous posts but, the fatalistic conclusion in this paragraph :) really makes me think that cultural differences are sometimes much more profound than we expect- the Querent is not really afraid that she is too old, she just wonders she has been making wrong steps.
There are few countries where average age of first marriage is above 30 for females, however, for Serbia it reads it as 26.6 years
I clarified somewhere in the thread that the Querent is not fro Serbia - the chart was cast for the time and place when I received and understood the question and that was during my business trip.
But, being familiar with this part of Europe, I believe that the capital of Serbia is actually one of the cities with an enormous percentage of divorces among young couples. In addition, you need to keep in mind that the national average can be significantly different than the average in big cities. Rural and city life are drastically different. For instance, you have countries with unbelievably high percentage of illiterate citizens and, at the same time, an extremely high percentage of highly educated people in some of the biggest cities.
Finally, you need to keep in mind that civil or church marriage is not as popular in many european countries as it used to be- many people live happily together without ever putting a signature on a piece of paper. Such people are not covered by wiki statistics.
Interestingly Scandinavian countries have the average age of first marriage on the higher side. Iceland also has it on higher side. Does it has something to do with cold climate? or a cultural having a liberal attitude towards causal and informal relationships?
Check the numbers of highly educated people in Scandinavian countries and you will soon get a better picture.
The second reason is surely the fact that many marriages are not registered, yes.
The proverb of 'A Tree full of Apples' could be counted as a fact. Proverbs similar to this might be present in your culture too
They are however, I tend to be very careful when it comes to proverbs; for what it's worth, if applied literally, some proverbs can put you in jail. :D
Society can be very hippo-critic at times - if a girl marries at the age of 22 and divorces 5 years later, she is usually percieved as a "divorced woman" ("oh, well, the poor girl didn't have luck!") and people keep telling her that there are any men out there and that she will surely find a new love. However, if a girl is single at the same age of 25 (and has never been married), people tend to assume that there is something wrong with her. In reality, she was maybe just smarter than the first girl and didn't want to marry for a wrong man.
One thing I want to ask is, 'Is this the first serious questions she has asked you?', because then the Neptune smack on Ascendent would be a permanent factor of her personality otherwise it is a temporary factor affecting her outlook at the time of asking the question. In my experience, Neptune conjunct a significator or an angle is not a positive sign.
Yesm i have been doing her yearly prognosis for a few years now and she is a very cooperative and well focused person. I would generally be just as suspicious when it comes to a Neptune/Asc conjunction however, in this particular case, I thought that it would be smart to examine it as descriptive of her current state, her wishes and potentially, her blockages.
1. Is she exceptionally pretty?
Obviously, the answer to this question is potentially subjective but, yes, I would say that she is generally perceived as a very good looking woman. More importantly (and, more objectively), althouh she is not one of those woman who would spend their last money (or sommeone else's money) on an expensive piece of wardrobe, she pays a lot of attention to how she looks. She is very elegant and tastefully dressed and pretty aware of the fact that she attracts other people's attention.
2. Is she curvaceous?
Yes. She is slim but, yes, she is quite a Latina.
3.Is her natal sun or moon (including Venus) in the signs of Taurus or Libra?
No. Her appearance could be better described as a Leo type of person.
4. Is she a little bit dark skinned as compared to the average colour of the females of her region/country?
People are often a bit dark tanned on Mediterranean but, yes, I could say that she is even a bit darker. Her hair is surely much darker than the average.
5. Does the first letter of her proper name begin with a letter R, T, I, B or W?
No. W isn't even used in her language.
6. Is her height a tad on the shorter side as compared to the other women of her region/country?
She isn't very tall, no. I'd say that she could be above the average.

Why are you asking these questions?

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aglaya,

I regularly make use of Saturn and Jupiter in Horary charts. I would refer Kim Farnell's paper on Cassanova and World's famous lovers (not the exact title). I was once fortunate to read Deb's answer to a horary question asked by my friend and I was very impressed with her use of Saturn in the Horary chart. IMO, Jupiter in Cancer in this Horary chart speaks of exaggerated prominence of 5th house matters.

She is 35, I may have made a mistake in one of my previous posts but, the fatalistic conclusion in this paragraph Smile really makes me think that cultural differences are sometimes much more profound than we expect- the Querent is not really afraid that she is too old, she just wonders she has been making wrong steps.
Nah, you can call it mathematical differences. 2014-32=1982

In 35 scenario. There is high probability of Natal Saturn in Virgo and in 32 scenario, there is high probability of Natal Saturn in Libra.

It was you who brought the possibility of average of first marriage and I had to look and post link of Wikipedia. But If I read your previous posts she had one major relationship in the past. If relationship is synonymous with marriage, then we should not be looking for 'first marriage' and its averages. I am aware of disparity between urban and rural data which was not available in Wikipedia.

Well, if this is her first horary question then Neptune and Venus are part of her unalterable personality.

The questions I asked at the end of the post were to ascertain if she is 'Venusian'. It appears that she is not. If she had been, the date I gave is actually application of Natal/General Astrology principles. Latina as a word is quite confusing to me. Do you mean she looks like Jennifer Lopez or Shakira?

If Venus does not describe her appearance then what it stands for? Because it is in a way controlling the ascendent. It rules 8th house of the Horary Chart. Unfortunately, I am at loss to determine and would like to hear what you think of it.
Regards

Morpheus

https://horusastropalmist.wordpress.com/

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Her Natal Saturn is inside Virgo.
And, no, this isn't her first Horary chart, we have had two successful attempts of solving mainly professional puzzles with Horary charts in her case.
The questions I asked at the end of the post were to ascertain if she is 'Venusian'. It appears that she is not.
Based on the influence of Venus ruled signs onto her natal chart, I would say that she is not a Venusian type of person. However, it is worth keeping in mind that she is originally an artist and a person who takes good care of her outer appearance.

Having said that:
If Venus does not describe her appearance then what it stands for? Because it is in a way controlling the ascendent.
I would rather describe her as a combination of Mercury and Leo - Leo in terms of striking appearance and self-confidence; Mercury in terms of smaller stature, darker tan and hair, eloquent and intelligent person.
Do you mean she looks like Jennifer Lopez or Shakira?
Neither. If I'd have to pick a recognisable celebrity, I would rather choose Sofia Vergara - dark eyes, rich, black, wavy hair (quite impressive), feminine and seductive in a very traditional way (when I say this I mean that I have noticed that, although her body is very beautiful, she prefers wardrobe that puts an accent on her stature over too short dresses and wardrobe that reveals too much). Also, keep i mind that she is a Mercury type of person as well meaning that she is quite petite and practical - she like to look good but she is not one of those women who would wear high heels just about everywhere.
It rules 8th house of the Horary Chart. Unfortunately, I am at loss to determine and would like to hear what you think of it.
Besides the fact that Venus is obviously descriptive of both her appearance and her current state of mind, it is certainly influencing the Ascendant with the energy of the house that it rules. So, yes, given that it actually rules ther 8th, I too am wondering if she is actually under even more pressure than she is willing to admit. At first glance, I would say that the topic is potentially torturing her. That is, actually, why the 5th house is confusing me - knowing her and being familiar with her life style (like I said, we've been discussing her yearly prognosis for a few years now), I have strong doubts when it comes to the most obvious influence of the 5th. I just doubt it means only "light fun". There has to be something more than that to it. The presence of the 8th house ruler on the Asc conjunct Neptune doesn't look like a begining of a story that ends with a one-night stand. The trouble is that, unlike in many other cases, I can't press the Querent to reveal more than she already has- this time we may be talking about something that she herself is not entirely aware of (maternal instincts, sexual deprivation etc.). Neptune on Asc is only confirming this - she may not even understand everything.
But If I read your previous posts she had one major relationship in the past.
In terms of the quality of that relationship (emotional bonds, closeness etc.), it was a clear example of a 7th house relationship. On the other hand, the couple never lived together although they spent a few years in a relationship.

She was only 20 when she met that man.

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Hi, everyone!
Before I begin, I would like to thank you all for your help with this chart. Approaching a chart cast for a question of this kind can be tricky and every single input was more than useful; I took them all into account whilst working on reading and they really helped me to see things from different angles and to include multiple symbolism into the delineation process. Hopefully, this chart will also serve as a good learning and practice tool to some of you now.
I have a bit of an update (although, a question of this nature needs much time to get a real update) but, before I share the news received by the Querent, I believe I should write down what I said to the Querent based on this chart.
As I mentioned in my opening post, I had quite a lot of time to deliver the answer as the Querent said that she would appreciate help on this matter when she visits me for her annual prognosis, almost 2 months later.
The elements of the chart that I stressed were the oppositions of male and female planets and their symbolical value. The Querent is directly affected by the opposition of the female planets across the Asc/DC axis and acts even as a descriptive element of her personality. The collision of two different female energies, that of a seductive, beautiful woman still looking for a way to express her femininity and the other, of a mother type/self-established woman and potentially a wife is keeping her from moving forward, This could be a clash of her inner beings but, it could also be a luggage from the past that she is still carrying- a blockage from trying to be like her mother whilst forgetting that she needs to evolve into a completely autonomous woman for instance. Or, inability to find a proper way to evolve into a woman when she, herself, doesn?t see herself as female of 35. She may have been focusing onto somewhat wrong aspects of maturity all a long ? being 35 means being 35. Older than 25 and younger than 45 but still a woman. Her perception of a ?mature? or, in better words, ?grown up? woman may have been linked with being a mother and a wife (which she isn?t) and, deep inside her conscious, the fact that she is 35, childless and unmarried, is potentially confusing.
She took a deep breath and said that she thinks that this just might be one of the biggest causes of her confusion.
On a more ?mundane? level, this opposition also says a lot about how she is perceived. With a poetic Venus and Neptune on the Asc inside Pisces, she is perceived as a fatal, fascinating, mysterious woman. What she needs to do is to make peace with her Moon side and find a way to collect the other side of her femininity, that placed across the axis astrologically speaking, and merge it with the side that is currently prominent and pushed into the first plane. The goal is not to suffocate her cocky side or stop taking care of her appearance but to find a good balance between the two and to stop being afraid of herself in a position of a 35 woman with no family of her own.
Finally, some things just need to be accepted. Not everything can or should be changed. With this Venus and Neptune, her picture of an ideal partner may be a bit unrealistic however, at the same time, it could be saying that she tends to over-idealise her partners and that she sometimes hits a wall when she realises that they aren?t what she thought they were. But, maybe she could still keep them, aye?! ?
A very similar thing happens with the male planets in this chart. Their opposition suggests that she is often facing almost the same thing when choosing her partners. Only, this time, on the other side. She is looking for a boyfriend that would evolve into a life-time partner however, the men that she should be looking for at the age of 35 cannot be the same as those that she dated at the age of 25. Likewise, she can?t look for a boyfriend among men who already are husbands and fathers no matter how secure that option would be (with them, she?d have a guarantee of success). Her reaction to this was quite intense and she said- are you reading my mind?! I?ve been trying to hide this even from myself but, since recently, I notice that I like men over 40 who are happily married. I don?t LIKE them in a way that I fall in love with them but, I do find them special! They simply look like her original image of a good partner without a mistake (which cannot be said for her ex partners who never grew to be such men. Not with her, anyway!).
One thing I had to stress more than once and that was- not everything is a result of our own mistakes. Some people just don?t follow the accepted routine and have a different timing. There?s nothing wrong with being a bride for the first time at the age of 45. Is it a minority of women who end up in this group? Perhaps but, then again, many of those who get married at the age of 25 are already divorced by this age and, finally, the fact that a majority of people walk a certain path doesn?t mean that it is either the correct or the wrong path. The Querent has a Masters degree which instantly places her among the minority- she doesn?t complain about that, does she!?
The influence of Jupiter in this chart, again, is potentially saying something that a few of you have mentioned earlier and that is- she is either more interested in having casual affairs than she is willing to admit it or, that she should start focusing on it more than she currently is. Based on her own words, she wants a steady relationship and, at the same time, she finds husband-type of men attractive. But, she needs to respect the order of things- every husband has to be a boyfriend first. In a way, she is maybe trying to skip the first step which might push her into making ever more mistakes. My advice for her was to take one step at a time- affection, love and cuddling first, marriage, children and mortgage later. In a way, I told her that she needs to start from the 5th house as Jupiter inside it seemed to be offering a hand.

However, with so many dynamic aspects and angular planets in this chart, I also had to assume that the chart was suggesting an upcoming activity as well. Since the chart was analysed along with her yearly charts, I immediately spotted more than one additional testimony of this possibility. Her new SR chart places the Asc in her natal 5th stressing this area of life during the 2nd part of 2014., and the 1st half of 2015., whilst her previous SR chart has multiple conjunction of relevant planets with her natal Venus in an angle. At the time the Question was asked, she was single and, as she says, in a very peaceful phase. No love interest whatsoever.
My vision of the upcoming months was suggesting that the peaceful phase was about to end.
Essentially very strong Jupiter, sitting inside the 5th, will obviously start initiating many activities very soon. If we use Venus as one of the Querent?s significators (due to its position on Asc), this Jupiter could mean that she will soon be introduced to a man through her work as Jupiter rules the 10th. However, at the time of the Question, the Querent was unemployed. Secondly, if we simply use Jupiter as her main significator, we have the ruler of the 7th applying to her own ruler, sitting inside the 5th which, again, suggests love affair. Obviously, this isn?t a chart cast for a question about a specific love situation but, if we examine it as a chart of this kind then, as always with love charts, I take a deep breath when I see the Moon sitting on the 7th cusp. The Moon so close to the cusp of the house that rules the other party could be saying that the Quesited is already occupied and, potentially, married. In this particular case, the ruler of the 7th is applying to the Querent?s ruler, the 5th house is activated but, at the same time, the Moon acts as a direct opponent, if not an enemy, of the Qurent as it casts an opposition onto her Ascendant and Venus sitting on it. Neptune only makes things worse as it says that the Querent might jump into the unknown without a second thought (no matter how much she complains about her own unwillingness to initiate or enter new relationships) and find herself in a new, dangerous role of a mistress. I added this remark to the reading but I didn?t want to go too deep into the analysis of this potential as I, myself, wasn?t sure if this part of the delineation should have even been mentioned.
The Querent phones me the other day. I will post the ?outcome? in a separate thread in case someone wants to practice their own delineation skills with this chart.

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The update!

The Querent phones the other day with an update of the situation. My assumption that the aspects in the chart were suggesting an approaching activity were, apparently, correct.
The Question was asked at the beginning of April however, I only found it in my email inbox on 11th April while I was on a business trip. I?m mentioning this in case someone wants to compare the orbs of applications with the actual timing.
After her last professional contract expired in winter 2014., she remained unemployed for the next two months until the same firm offered her a new, 6 month contract which she accepted. She started working on 3rd May. On the day when she went to her old firm to sign the new contract (the last days of April), she spotted a man that she had not know before. It wasn?t until 5 days later that she was formally introduced to him but she immediately found out that he was the IT technician (Mercury) in the sector of security (a lot of uniformed man around him, Aries fits the picture). The man is 10 years her senior however, he looks very young and, according to the Querent, most people believe that he is 30 yo (Mercury = youthful looks) . He is also married with two almost completely grown up children. He has been married for almost 20 years now and, the only time he mentioned his marriage to the Querent, he said that it was ?OK?. He has never been involved in extramarital affairs so far and is leading an almost idyllic life- he only had to change firm once since he graduated from college, he got married at a rather early age, he gets along well with his family, his children are healthy, he has an extra income, a family house, he plays football occasionally and he is even a member of a folklore group. Although married and with lots of family obligations, to the Querent, he seems quite independent and casual. He occasionally spends evenings and nights with his friends, he visits concerts and sports games and he basically never takes his wife with him. At the same time, he says that they?re in a stabile relationship.
The two instantly felt attracted to each other and, according to the Querent?s words, as afraid and surprised as they both were by the whole situation, they didn?t hesitate a single moment to jump into an affair. She says that she had never felt anything like that before and that she felt as though she would die if she doesn?t get a chance to be with him. A very similar thing could be said for his as he has entered into an extramarital affair for the first time in his (married life) and only because he wanted to be with the Querent (not because the situation at his home was bad). It?s been 6 moths since they met each other and about 5 since they started seeing each other. The Querent?s will soon expire however, for now, they have an agreement to continue seeing each other even after that time.
If I get a new update on this, I will post it here.

Cheers,

aglaya

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Hi Aglaya,

This is an interesting chart.

Thanks for posting an update, although I have come to the party late, I'll add my comments.

I think it can be hard to get at the heart of complex matters like this from a chart but as said, the chart seems to bear out current events that have subsequently taken place.

When she asks what she can change... I think she's really ultimately asking what she really wants ... and find me a person who knows exactly what they want! And unfortunately, people don't always/often (?) get what they want but as they also say 'be careful what you want as sometimes you might get it'!
Likewise, she can?t look for a boyfriend among men who already are husbands and fathers no matter how secure that option would be (with them, she?d have a guarantee of success). Her reaction to this was quite intense and she said- are you reading my mind?! I?ve been trying to hide this even from myself but, since recently, I notice that I like men over 40 who are happily married. I don?t LIKE them in a way that I fall in love with them but, I do find them special! They simply look like her original image of a good partner without a mistake (which cannot be said for her ex partners who never grew to be such men. Not with her, anyway!).
Well, I think she's over-thinking finding men over 40 who are married attractive... by that age many people are probably more comfortable with themselves and who they are so are probably more appealing as people anyway... there's nothing wrong in observing positive things and finding them attractive. She can't 'change' finding that attractive and as long as she's not actually seeking them out in order to have an affair with them then I don't see the harm - and as you said she's not the type of person to do that.
The influence of Jupiter in this chart, again, is potentially saying something that a few of you have mentioned earlier and that is- she is either more interested in having casual affairs than she is willing to admit it or, that she should start focusing on it more than she currently is.
Also the 5th house is the house of joy - maybe she merely wants some joy in her life and it's showing her desire for that.
Based on her own words, she wants a steady relationship and, at the same time, she finds husband-type of men attractive. But, she needs to respect the order of things- every husband has to be a boyfriend first. In a way, she is maybe trying to skip the first step which might push her into making ever more mistakes.
You have great insight here.

I recently read a book by a psychotherapist who says that in his view (and he is against the mainstream here) that relationships are probably more successful if they are a by-product of life, not an end in themselves. By that I take it to mean that instead of focussing on looking for a relationship as an end in itself (or having it in your head that you need this thing to be happy), just live your life - and it sounds like she has a successful, fulfilling life with lots of great boons in her life, a satisfying contributer to society and creativity, a good family, good health, attractive, personable person - and that relationships should come out of that... as a by-product. As she herself said when she's pursued men it hasn't worked out well.
My advice for her was to take one step at a time- affection, love and cuddling first, marriage, children and mortgage later. In a way, I told her that she needs to start from the 5th house as Jupiter inside it seemed to be offering a hand.
I think this is really good advice, start with finding joyful moments and reciprocity. I wouldn't like to judge things harshly that I know little of, but it does strike me that a triangular situation could be a recipe for mess and upset for several persons that would harm the positive aspects.

I hope that things work out for all concerned in a way that is constructive and not destructive.

Onto the actual chart. As the thought of wanting to be paired up and bonded is so on the forefront of her mind, I take venus to represent this aspect of herself and as venus is natural significator of this, I'll go with this. Jupiter is her herself, in the 5th, in exaltation, maybe over-estimating things, but focussed on wanting some joy and pleasure in her life. Her emotional side, the moon, her desires, is clearly focussed on a potential mate, being in the 7th house, maybe this is a negative, being in venus's fall and opposing venus - the difference between the concept and the reality? Her feeling side receives jupiter, but jupiter does not receive moon as she's in her detriment. The 'wanting to settle down' side, venus also rejects the desire side of her. Hmm, I argue for the interpretation that it is her desire and emotions for partnership that is getting in the way of being in a position to actually start one AND to experience genuine joy... and as you say, starting the fun building blocks that may lead to a permanent bond without any expectations weighing things down.

So it's the desire and emotions of wanting to be paired-off that is getting in the way of the enjoyment and relaxation that would be a healthy building block to try and start a healthy relationship from. This is far far from uncommon.