Appeal for help for children's novel

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Hello everyone! This is a request for help which is perhaps a bit out on a limb. I am writing a children?s novel focused on Old Norse myth and magic (which is my area of specialist research). Vikings may not have had classical astrology, but for various reasons I want my modern fictional children?s characters to match their birthcharts (the children are actually born a generation or so ago, for reasons I won?t go into). I can manage basic astrological interpretation, and hence can develop characteristics and plot developments within what the charts suggest. But I?d like to improve on this empirically ? what I would really like is to hear from anyone who would be willing to help me fill in what it is actually like to live with some of the features in the charts (I?m aware of course that you can?t really isolate individual features in this sort of categorical way, as they are always linked to other features, but I am just after some general parameters). I am basically OK with the boy, but I could do with help especially for the girl. For reasons of plot and character development, I came up with a chart for her thus: York (53 58 N, 1 05 W), time 23.01, date 29.02.1964, the main potentially relevant features from which are the Sun in Pisces, weakish trine to asc. in Scorpio, Neptune in house I, Sun in house IV, Saturn conj. Mercury in house IV ? I think these features have the potential to provide some of the things I?m after, unless I?ve made a right goof of it (other features, the usefulness of which for the story isn?t immediately obvious to me, are Sun conj. Mars, both oppos. Pluto and Uranus ? the biggest tension points in the chart). I doubt I?m going to find anyone with precisely this birth chart, but at least if there is anyone who has, or knows someone who has, any of the salient features from this chart and would be willing to share a bit of their personal outlook and experience in life, as related to such astrological features, to help give me some ideas and round out the character in an astrologically authentic way (or let me see I?ve got the whole thing quite wrong), I would be glad to hear, and I will send more details. NB I am not aiming on copying anyone?s character directly, and my fictional character is a heroine, not a baddie, but she makes one big mistake in the story. I can be contacted at norseastrology AT gmail.com. Thanks!
Clive Lewis

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Hello, Clive! I graduated from an academy of dramatic arts and I have a masters degree in play-writing however, I don't think i have ever heard of such an approach and I find it quite interesting! of course, the authors don't usually start from the date birth of their characters but, if there is one thing that they teach you in theatre, it's that every single thing is important.
I doubt I?m going to find anyone with precisely this birth chart, but at least if there is anyone who has, or knows someone who has,
Personally, I doubt you would actually have much use of a chart of an existing person born close to or exactly that minute. It would be interesting to see it, I agree but, I actually think that it might be counterproductive.
Firstly, because the growth and development of every single person is highly conditioned by their every day surroundings, their family and family background, the situations they come across and tasks and activities they need or want to take and undergo. Two persons born the same day, in the same place, and at the same time, will still be born into different families which means that even their staring points are completely different, regardless of the fact that their birth charts are identical.

Now, since I'm pretty sure that you're first reaction is - well, they must have something in common! :) , I'll skip to the second reason why I don't think that examining another person's chart would be of much help; we need to take into consideration the fact that astrological symbolism can have multiple meanings. In addition, even when the natal promise leads to a similar or even identical meaning, the effects of the promise will go through a "change" during the process of fine-tuning usually done by either mother nature or social circumstances. So, blond hair- blue eyes and tall stature can mean that we are talking either about Heidi Klumm or my first neighbour Anna. :D A person with the Ruler of the 1st house inside the 12th can mean that the person is born in a concentration camp (captivity, jails etc.), or simply in a hospital like me (or any other kid).

Of course, it is always possible to make things even more complicated - the birth charts always contain enough evidences of the life surroundings of the Nativity. And, whilst we can always assume that the meaning of a specific symbolism might go in at least 3 directions, we always need enough accurate symbolism in a chart. The manifestations can vary but the symbolism should be correct and naturally linked to them. Whenever that is not the case, we need to go through a complicated process of rectification which is almost a backwards process - we know how the person looks, we know that her father died at a young age, we know that she has one sister...and, based on what we know, we try to nail down the exact time of her birth.

I'm mentioning this process because, in a way, your approach too is going backwards when compared to a classic chart delineation. The astrologer gets a chart and, based on the astrological symbolism found in it, makes "sketches" of the possible outcomes. In your case, however, we have a story (I assume the plot is already known, at least to you) and now we need to find out as to what the person born on that date is like. BUT, what if the Natal promise does not describe her as someone who would even become engaged in activities described in the book? Like I said, there is always more than one correct answer but, we do need the natal promise to vibrate at the same frequency with the reality.
, the main potentially relevant features from which are the Sun in Pisces,
App. 1/12 of the world's population have Sun in Pisces. :) More importantly, her description should be looked for in her 1st house and its ruler. You have chosen your character to be a Scorpio type of person as that is where her Ascendant falls. With the Ascendant in Scorpio and with retrograde Neptune inside her 1st, I doubt we are talking about a very open and optimistic person. If she is a teenager, then she certainly isn't a cheer-leader. More so because Mars, the ruler of her Ascendant, went into Pisces, a sign that has a lot in common with Neptune (which is, after all, why Modern authorities decide to assign the rulership over Pisces to that very planet)).

Her ruler is in the 4th, in Pisces and combust by the Sun. Now, whilst some astrologer would argue that Mars cannot be as badly damaged by the sunbeams as most other planets, I would still examine this placement as potentially "dangerous". Moreover, the corporal contact with the Sun gives the nativity a lot of male energy as these two planets are the ultimate representatives of the male principle. At this point, it might be important to move the focus onto her Venus - it is fallen (disposed by Mars) which decreases its essential dignities. Her accidental dignities, on the other hand, are decreased by the cadency as she is placed inside the 6th house.

What immediately attracts the attention in this chart, is the crowdy 4th house and its connection with the 1st. The Modern authors and practitioners often assign this house to the mother whilst the house on the other side of the axis goes to the father. The traditional sources, however, advise us to examine them in the reverse order. Which ever approach you decide to apply, the placement of so many planets including Lords of the 1st (the girl), the 4th and the 10th (parents) on IC (and opposing two heavy, outer planets inside the 10th as you mention), put a significant weight on this sphere of life. The 4th suggests home or homeland themes, family tradition and inheritance and, from the traditional perspective - the Mother. However, the ruler of the 10th is also there, burning the Lord of the 1st with his sunbeams. And, it is exactly the ruler of the father (the natural ruler and the ruler of the 10th ) that damages the L1. Now, even if you decide to examine the rulerships of the parents differently (ie to assign L10 to the mother and L4 to the father), you will still have a very dynamic situation inside the 4th that inevitably includes both parents and tradition or similar influences. With the ruler of the 1st there and so intensively included into the net of different influences, it is very obvious that the person is most likely to be exposed to some sort of stressful influences coming from either her parents or alike activities/persons. The 10th house also rules her personal achievements, profession, authorities (the symbolism is doubled due to the fact that it's actually the Sun - the natural ruler of authorities - that rules the 10th) etc. Angularity only helps the influences to express themselves easier.
Saturn conj. Mercury in house IV ? I think these features have the potential to provide
Some astrologers would say that this isn't really a conjunction as the two planets are making an aspect across the sign boundary. Personally, I find it extremely hard to dismiss such an obvious influence since the planets are still in a bodily aspect. In addition, i find conjunctions with Mercury especially important since Mercury, a rather neutral planet, tends to "borrow" the nature of the planet it touches. A youthful Mercury in a conjunction with the old Saturn is something worth paying attention to. However, it is also important to notice the position of the Mercury - it is angular but essentially debilitated - it's in sign of its fall and detriment.

Appeal for help for children's novel

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Thanks, Aglaya, for taking the time to respond on this.
Well, I dare say it is an unusual approach; my wife says I never think of anything in the way most people do (that's bound to be in my chart somewhere, I'm sure). Perhaps it's a bit daft, I don't know.
Sure, I know a chart has many different possibilities of interpretation. Essentially, I wanted to get something credible - I do have a particular type of character in mind, and also certain types of relationship, that have to determine the plot. The main points are that this girl (by the way, she is just preteen, thank goodness) has to have a very high degree of emotional awareness, and in fact spiritual insight - a good deal of the message in fact comes through in dreams (which relate to the world of the gods). So she is something of a seeress. But, although she should generally get on well with people, she needs to have an otherworldly side to her, and she also has to be focused and be serious (so the Pisces aspect has to be more channelled than normal), with the energy to carry out a dangerous quest to right something she has done wrong as a result of an over-hasty reaction. Also essential is the fraught relationship with a stern, dominant father figure (not her living father, actually, but the one in the dreams), which she also has to 'solve'. She also needs some type of illness, or difficulty at her birth, which has somehow marked her out as special (chosen by the spirits, to use shamanic terminology). This was all a necessary part of the character, and I came up with the time of birth to fit as much of this in as I could, and the sort of special 29 Feb. fitted nicely too. I wonder how far you think I have struck home with my choice?
The difficulty for me is just working out, within these general parameters, how she will react, respond, talk, interact etc. on a detailed level. Obviously, as you say, even people with an identical birth chart could end up different in many ways from each other. What I was thinking is it would be interesting to see how someone with this birth chart actually does react etc. - then it is self-evidently consistent with the birth chart. It perhaps doesn't matter so much, as anything reasonable within the general parameters would be credible, but it would just be interesting.
As it is, I seem to have landed myself with an outwardly Scorpio type, and these aren't necessarily the easiest to depict (and I have also never known anyone with Pisces figuring prominently). I had a Scorpio girlfriend once, and she was no bundle of laughs, and completely inscrutable.
Anyway, thanks again for your helpful readings of some parts of my suggested chart.
Clive Lewis

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Hi, again! And, you're welcome!
my wife says I never think of anything in the way most people do ... Perhaps it's a bit daft, I don't know.
That's how great ideas are usually born, isn't it?! :wink:
This was all a necessary part of the character, and I came up with the time of birth to fit as much of this in as I could, and the sort of special 29 Feb. fitted nicely too.
Well, if we take into consideration that about 99% of your readers most likely knows nothing or close to nothing about astrology and if we assume (and I think that we can assume) that 99% of the people who fall into the 1% of the astrologically educated audience won't bother to cast the chart of the kid and examine its authenticity :) , I'd say that the date you picked is quite simpatic.
(I do have to say that, each time I met someone born on 29th February, I ended up being rather disappointed. One would expect the people who had a privilege of being born on such a rare date to be more complicated. :D )


Essentially, I wanted to get something credible - I do have a particular type of character in mind, and also certain types of relationship
I get that. Again, i find your approach very intriguing and imaginative. While I was thinking about your task, I realised that, when we rectify someone's horoscope (try to nail down the exact time of birth), we usually concentrate onto the most obvious and, more importantly, onto things that cannot be changed. And such things are usually the events, rather than personal traits. That, of course, is not to say that we would ever dismiss the fact that a person has a very visible birth-mark on her face or that she is extremely liberal or open minded. Quite the contrary, such informations are taken very seriously. However, apart fro what we can see, it is best to stick with what is, sort of speaking, definite and unquestionable. So, if I'd have to pick between how the person describes her emotional being and when her sister was born, I'd go for the sister's date of birth as a useful information because, unlike the former, a specific date can hardly be misinterpreted.
Here, on the other hand, we have a fictional character which makes it complicating. (I have never rectified a horoscope of a non existing person :D ):
I wonder how far you think I have struck home with my choice?
Ina way, i'd say that that there is a reason why you decided to "schedule" the time of birth of your character on that very date and you should probably keep it. This, of course, is my opinion that might not have anything to do with astrology.
In addition, since we aren't talking about a real person, it is good to have a close time of birth because, without it, we'd have to chase the best time of birth throughout the past century in which case, you'd probably never finish your book. :)
However, when it comes to her description and all the things that you're mentioning, it's actually the time of the day that you need to focus onto. You will certainly never have a 100% accurate chart but, then again, you don't really need one; it's a fictional character and, as we both already mentioned, a single promise can have multiple manifestations but what you do need is a logical and natural connection between the natal promise and the reality or, in better words, you need something that fits, as you say. And, at this point, I think that the key is in narrowing down the best part of the day. You need a logical Ascendant and at least a few signs in the chart that confirm her description.

here are a few hints:
But, although she should generally get on well with people, she needs to have an otherworldly side to her,
A full angle (the 4th house) in the first, original, chart is good in terms of dynamics as angular houses push the planets "forward", sort of speaking; they make it easier for the planets to express their true nature. However, the 4th, as I mentioned in my first post, puts a significant weight on the sphere of life that we could label "family", inheritance", "home/homeland" etc. So, unless you intend to describe a person whos main focus is described by the 4th, I'd advise you to move the Ascendant: the 4th house in this chart is full of planets and this would inevitably make the matters of this nature prominent in the life of the girl. Besides, another angle, the 7th, speaks more about the interaction between the Native and other people.



and she also has to be focused and be serious (so the Pisces aspect has to be more channelled than normal),
That sound like Virgo more than anything else. Saturn in Virgo inside the 1st would be a great choice (I'll borrow her my Natal chart if you like). But we can't have that in this case. however, Saturn is very strong (in his own rulership) and conjunct Mercury (weak but still...) and we do have a string testimony of dedication and studious approach to life. Saturn is "the old teacher" whilst Mercury rules studies, eloquence, intellect etc. What you need is a good place for these two planets.
The trouble is that Mercury/Saturn combination can have some negative manifestations, especially when Mercury is ill dignified. Such people can be grumbling and have difficulties in expressing their meaning. Saturn isn't the ultimate example of refinement and words can sometimes sound insulting although the person wants to be polite. In addition, they can be prone to making complaints about everything. On the other hand, when they try to control the way they express themselves, they tend to become their own censors. Unfortunately, learning disorders are also often linked to this placement. But, in this particular case, we can hardly avoid that; Mercury will remain conjunct Saturn for a few more days.
So, in my opinion, a touch of Virgo would be most welcome.
with the energy to carry out a dangerous quest to right something she has done wrong as a result of an over-hasty reaction.
Sun rules bravery but, what you're mentioning here, sounds a lot like Aquarius and the 11th house - right goals, improving society, not being afraid of the new...
As it is, I seem to have landed myself with an outwardly Scorpio type, and these aren't necessarily the easiest to depict (and I have also never known anyone with Pisces figuring prominently)
Obviously, Scorpio/Neptune/Pisces and the 4th house don't really connect with what you said about her. Regardless of the fact that she is ruled by Mars, i'd say that this combination shows her as a shy and, although imaginative, somewhat introverted and slow-going person.


a good deal of the message in fact comes through in dreams (which relate to the world of the gods).
Both the dreams and gods are ruled by jupiter and the 9th house which needs to be prominent in her chart. Jupiter is spirituality and higher knowledge. The 9th shares the symbolism of that planet. Meditation, prayers, subconsciousness, secluded places (physical or not) are described by the 12th. That is where the monks live, that is where we connect with the darker sides of ourselves (that aren't necessarily negative - being intrigued by what is negative around us is what often makes us do something good).

Now, I tried to move the Ascendant forward and backward to see what i get and, although the same time on 29th February gives a similar chart, the chart erected for 28th February, 08:07 am looks like a good candidate. The big difference between that chart and the chart cast for the same time one date later is the placement of the Moon; on 29 Feb. it falls in the rulership of Venus. The Moon in Virgo, to me, looks like a better choice for the reasons I mentioned above.
Both charts have Venus and Jupiter on the Ascendant; both planets are promising a special person and bringing very favorable influences to the Nativity. Jupiter, besides being a protector, fits perfectly into your story - it rules the 8th and the 9th, and, by its placement on the Ascendant, it brings the themes of dead people and dreams to the Querent. Many planets are now inside the 12th house which, again, works well for the story and Saturn, the ruler of the 11th is now essentially strong- the 11th corresponds with Aquarius and so we have a double testimony of a person willing to fight for greater goals. Saturn also rules her 10th which means that she is potentially given the opportunity to express herself creatively even as a professional.
She is still ruled by Mars, and still inside the Pices, of course, but Pices have got a lot in common with the 12th which makes the situation significantly different.

Now, the bad sides of this chart are:
-Venus, that rules the interception inside the 1st and the 7th is detrimental but, again, she will stay in that sign for a long time. By ruling the 7th, it might bring open enemies to the Querent but, at the same time, it might give her a very attached partner.

-her Ascendant ruler is burnt by the Sun inside a cadent, malefic house.


There you go! :wink:


Cheers,

aglaya

Help on children's novel

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Many thanks again Aglaya for these further insights and suggestions, derived from a rather deeper knowledge of astrology than mine. It is really fascinating.
I like the new birth date suggestion. The thing that worries me is how we get the problematic relationship with the father out of it. Or perhaps it isn't necessary: the story sort of works by the heroine being both a 'real' normal girl, and also, in the realm of myth, the daughter of ??inn that he cursed because she disobeyed him (it is the sleeping beauty story, in fact) - my invention is how she turns out to be the key to his own salvation. But she would have a different birth time anyway as a divine being; I just thought it could come out in the human character as well, but perhaps no need.
The other thing I have to work out is the relationship with the boy. I thought I might as well use my own chart as a starting point for him - not that this whole thing is in any way autobiographical. (But anyway it is 15.30 (or 14.30 GMT) 26.04.62, 51.47N, 0.14W.) Actually the two characters aren't going to be together much of the time, and I'm more interested in concentrating on the heroine, as she is the link with the dream world and the sort of fulfiller of the myths. But if I take that Aries ascendant, it is going to alter the dynamic of the relationship - now she will be more impulsive and energetic, I suppose. That does make her easier to write, actually. Hm, interesting: her moon would fall almost on the boy's ascendant (my wife's in fact is bang on my ascendant).
This is all just a small part of the whole thing, of course, but it can help provide a sort of dynamic trajectory to the developments. As you say, hardly anyone would be aware of it anyway (but I love putting these hidden sort of things in), but I am tempted to introduce some character who drops a hint about it, if I can think who might have wandered up to Scandinavia in Viking times that would be capable of doing it. Well, they had priests from Armenia, so why not?
Thanks,
Clive
Clive Lewis

Re: Help on children's novel

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Clive Lewis wrote:Many thanks again Aglaya for these further insights and suggestions, derived from a rather deeper knowledge of astrology than mine. It is really fascinating.
Approaching a chart in such an unusual way was actually a lot of fun so, the pleasure is mine. :)
I like the new birth date suggestion. The thing that worries me is how we get the problematic relationship with the father out of it.
As for the date, like I said, not much would change even if you decide to keep the 29th. The Moon will change her residence but I doubt that would be a huge problem. She is a fictional character, after all. And, I understand that you're intrigued by a date that happens only once in every 4 years so, I think that it would probably be best if you kept it.

As for the father influence - as long as we keep Mars on the Ascendant, we have a Sun influenced Ascendant ruler which, due to the Sun's natural rulership over father-type men and high authorities, inevitably includes her relationship with her father. However, in the 1st chart, the Sun also becomes the ruler of the 10th and, by forming a bodily aspect with the Lord of the 1st inside the 4th house, the symbolism is multiply confirmed. Moreover, the father/mother, home and tradition themes become the highlight of her life. Of course, if that fits your story, you should keep it as the testimonies of the girl being engaged in activities of that kind are very prominent.
But if I take that Aries ascendant, it is going to alter the dynamic of the relationship - now she will be more impulsive and energetic, I suppose.
Pisces will always slow her down but, yes, Aries is more energetic and, more importantly, more straight forward. Another something that "keeps her inside her own head and home" in the first chart is the presence of Neptune inside the 1st. As for the placement of Lord of the 1st inside the 12th in the second chart, no matter what most people think about the 12th, besides the fact that it works for your story, people with Ascendant ruler inside the 12th can be very extroverted.
I remembered that I should have probably mentioned another thing earlier; when one or more planets are occupying the 1st house and especially if they're cuspal planets (sitting on cusp which is the most potent point of every house), they become the co-rulers of the person. So, with Jupiter and Venus on the Ascendant, we have a significantly different situation than with Neptune (although deep inside the 1st) in the 1st chart. Venus remains fallen but that we can't avoid however, both planets are very positive. And, with a planet as generous and well mannered as Jupiter (in its own triplicity and well received in some of the dignities of Mars), we now have a very nice young lady. The Ascendant ruler inside the 12th emphasizes her connections with the world of the unknown, Mars in Pisces makes her unusual and imaginative.
it is the sleeping beauty story, in fact
Jupiter, the natural ruler of dreams and the ruler of the 9th house of dreams, conjunct Venus, the planet of beauty on the Ascendant (the person), is a bingo. :)


Hm, interesting: her moon would fall almost on the boy's ascendant (my wife's in fact is bang on my ascendant).
That's a very common phenomenon- it is expected that the placement of the planets in the charts of people who affect our lives significantly, either touch important degrees in our own charts either by body or by an aspect.
15.30 (or 14.30 GMT) 26.04.62, 51.47N, 0.14W
I get Virgo rising (Asc 27?30'). Is that correct?

children's novel

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Hi, there's a lot to think about in either possible chart. Normally seeresses are difficult characters, and secretive and reclusive, but actually what I've written so far fits the new chart better - I think the traditional seeress character might be a bit difficult to pull off as a main character that the child reader sympathises with, even if they would be interesting seen from the outside (and I have some of that coming up later in the book, so maybe keep that type of character for there). It perhaps works better if I have a very nice girl, who is nonetheless troubled by dreams, and then troubled by something she does too hastily - this is roughly the image I had to start with, before analysing it too much, and perhaps first instincts are best. I need to think about this a bit.
I have asc. 16 54' degrees Virgo (it is 15.30 British summer time).
thanks,
Clive
Clive Lewis

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Oh, another thing. If I can manage to work anything out, I might look a bit at the astrogeography aspect, because this story is going to involve a lot of travel, to northern Scandinavia and probably as far as Bjarmaland, which in modern terms is roughly round Arkhangelsk. It would be nice if the resolution of the story took place somewhere that worked astrogeographically, but I might abandon this idea given how complex it is going to be to work out.
Clive Lewis

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perhaps first instincts are best
They probably are which is, after all, why, although a Virgo Moon would make a lot of sense in this case, I advised you to keep the 29th February. 08:07 am seems to work well in this case but, as for the details, well, I guess that every author needs to allow his characters to surprise him. :)
It perhaps works better if I have a very nice girl, who is nonetheless troubled by dreams
In addition to a good Jupiter influence on the Ascendant, the proximity of the Sun, although in a way negative, can also be examined as a close connection with the highest authorities, even gods.
If I can manage to work anything out, I might look a bit at the astrogeography aspect...but I might abandon this idea given how complex it is going to be to work out
Astrocartography and Astrogeography are commonly used by mundane astrologers. In natal astrology, it is also sometimes used when a person is inquiring about relocation. I'm not an experienced mundane astrologer (however, in the mundane section of the Forum, you will find very smart and experienced people :) ) and, personally, i don't use this technique even for my own chart. (I tend to stick with what I know better - Horary relocation charts and natal charts).

Obviously, when a very specific part of the world is important in the life of a person, a brief examination of the connection between that place and the natal chart of the person, can be easily done. I don't even think that a very thorough analysis would even be necessary considering the quantity of the informations available from other charts.

But, besides Astro-chartography and similar methods, a few other options that allow us to understand as to where the person feels good and which placed she should avoid are offered in natal studies. This methods are actually commonly used and often included in the natal chart readings by default.

Namely, the presence of beneficial planets (Jupiter and Venus, primarily), in a specific quadrant of heaven are usually indicating the part of the world where the person is most likely to feel "at home". Malefic planets, on the other hand, especially when ill dignified and stress fully aspected, tend to pinpoint the areas that the native should avoid if possible. More so if the malefic planets are also attacking other important significators in the chart (such as the Ascendant ruler or the significator of travel).

Determining the exact areas can be done in a few ways: firtly, we need to see as to how strong the signs of relocation/travel are in a chart :

- the 3rd house and its ruler along with the planets placed inside it and Mercury, tell us a lot about short trips, commuting etc. but also about traffic and vehicles in general)

- the 9th house, L9, planets inside the 9 and Jupiter tell us more about long trips, foreign countries, visits to distant places etc.

- the quadrants of the Heaven on which benefic/malefics and significators of the matter are places and their natural association with the sides of the world give us a wide picture of the directions that should be favoured or avoided. In this (link!) short article written by Deborah Houlding, you will find two tables (bottom of the page) that will help you understand the association of different signs/houses with the sides of the world.

To all this, I would generally add:

- the nature of the sign in which the Ascendant falls and the sign in which its ruler went (changeable signs are most likely to promise dynamics whilst fixed signs tend to keep the person in one place).

- the chart of the place where the native decides to travel or move to (every country and every town have their own birth charts that need to be compared to the natal chart).

-finally, the natural characteristis of the places visited by the Native and their rulers (ie, places covered in snow or very old and dark places are naturally ruled by Saturn and signed ruled by Saturn, places by the sea are described by watery signs, hot and dry signs suggest warm places, Leo suggests magnificent places and royal palaces etc.)

By moving the ruler of the 7th onto the Ascendant in the chart for 29 Feb, 8:07am, we get a very tight contact between the native and distant places, foreign people and different cultures and their influence onto the life of the girl become inevitable. Of course, the fact that it is the ruler of the 9th that is sitting on the Ascendant,rather than the other way around, we can assume that the native is most likely to receive such people or influences coming from abroad but, by changing the situation and placing her Asc ruler into the 9th, we lose all other relevant promises.
Furthermore, Jupiter on the Asc makes her also feel very good in the bplace of her birth as well as in the Eastern hemisphere. But, due to his natural rulership as well as his rulership over the 9th, it also emphasizes the theme of travel and exploring. In the 1st version of the chart, however, we have a person that is most likely to remain focused onto the matters of her homeland for the most part of her life.