US Government Shutdown 1 by Mark The US government has begun a partial shutdown after the two houses of Congress failed to agree a new budget. The shutdown began at 00:00 hours on Tuesday morning Washington DC local time. The Republican-led House of Representatives insisted on delaying President Barack Obama's healthcare reform - dubbed Obamacare - as a condition for passing a bill. More than 800,000 federal employees face unpaid leave with no guarantee of back pay once the deadlock is over. It is the first shutdown in 17 years and the dollar fell early on Tuesday. Goldman Sachs estimates a three-week shutdown could shave as much as 0.9% from US GDP this quarter. There are also concerns, by some economic forecasters, that this deadlock could destabilize the world economy as a whole and be a catalyst for a fresh recession. Below is the chart for the beginning of the Shutdown in placidus and equal house systems Ptolemaic Aspects: 1 Uranus Rx applying by square to Pluto. 2 Uranus conjunct the Equal 10th house cusp / nonagesimal. 3 Uranus square the ASC 3 The Sun in an applying opposition to Uranus 4 The Sun square Pluto 5 Marssquare Venus 6 The Moon separating from a conjunction with Mars 7 The Moon square Venus 8 Saturn has just separated from a conjunction to the North Node 9 Pluto opposing ASC and square MC 10 Sun square ASC With the addition of the transiting Sun the Pluto-Uranus square becomes a T Square with Pluto in the 7th house the apex planet. Parallels: Sun parallel Uranus Pluto parallel Venus Sun parallel MC Last edited by Mark on Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:45 am, edited 2 times in total. As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:21 pm
2 by james_m thanks for doing this mark. i haven't been focused on this topic so much yet. i suppose the most obvious comment i could make off the event chart has to do with the ascendant/descendant axis.. i am thinking of the standing gov't as the cancer rising with the pluto in cap on the descendant representing the republican position.. it seems saturn in the fixed sign scorpio conjunct north node is a good image for the opposition who have determined now is the time for a showdown. moon in leo as representing obama and the gov't in power is going from a conjunction to mars to a square to venus here. the 2nd house under the rulership of the sun makes sense if you think of sun as part of that t square with uranus/pluto. i think a simple read on the chart is that this event is part of ongoing uranus/pluto square that has yet to finish. it seems like these 2 planets, or none planet and planet represent very different values.. if you think of pluto as in the commanding position in relation to uranus, i suppose one can walk away with an impression that something more like a financial cabal are dictating the direction of events here with the us political system at the mercy of their ongoing interests - money and little else! here are marjorie orrs comments from september 29th which some folks might enjoy reading. http://www.star4cast.com/index2f.asp?pa ... e.asp?id=1 USA shutdown - Saturn rules - not OK From: Marjorie. (29 Sep 2013 13:28): The temperature is mounting in the US as a government shutdown looms. The far right are using government funding as a weapon to extract concessions over Obamacare which they dislike. The Democrats are saying they will not be hi-jacked or "extorted by Tea Party anarchists." It has also bitterly divided the Republican Party, setting the moderate leadership against hardcore ideological, small-government Tea Party members. It has been estimated that a government shutdown, which would see many non-essential services such as parks and passport offices close, could cost the US economy up to $2bn dollars. About 800,000 US Federal government workers would be put on temporary unpaid leave. Later in October will be a potentially much more serious dispute when Congress will have to extend the US Debt Ceiling. Economists warn that if partisan politics leads to a failure to agree to a new Debt Limit it would have far-reaching consequences for both the US and the global economy as the world's reserve currency is threatened with default. [See Daily Telegraph UK]. All too exhausting - we lurch from all hell, horror and mayhem out in the universe and then get back to politicians making a cobblers of things. The USA First President chart, 30 April 1789 12.45pm New York, has tr Saturn moving rapidly to oppose the Taurus Sun from Oct 1st for 8 days which does sound like a stalemate. And Obama's chart always did look discouraged through this autumn with tr Saturn just off the conjunction to his Neptune and aiming to square his Leo Sun just after mid October. Obama's 2nd Term Admin chart, 20 Jan 2013 11.55am Washington DC has a Fixed T Square of Saturn in Scorpio opposition Taurus Ascendant Moon square Mars in Aquarius - that is being damped down by tr Saturn through October and across the New Year into mid 2014. It may not all be this argument but it does look very downbeat and irritable. Plus at the moment tr Uranus is exactly square the Admin Pluto until mid October which is always a sign of instability. That repeats mid Feb to early March 2014. The US Federal Reserve chart 16 Nov 1914 9am Washington, DC is substantially panicked at the moment till mid October and then gets a confidence dent in early November; with further high concern from late December over the New Year into January. Taking 19 Jan 2009 as the foundation of the modern Tea Party there are very afflicted cross overs with President Obama's chart. Their Saturn in Virgo is conjunct his firmly entrenched 8th house Mars in Virgo. The relationship chart indicates hostility and power struggling with a composite Sun Pluto Mercury opposition Venus square Jupiter - so a constant struggle for the upper hand. Plus a bitterly aggravated Mars Saturn conjunction indicating real dislike. Influences to that relationship chart indicate a continuing freeze right through 2014. Quote Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:04 am
3 by Mark Hi James, Thanks for your comments. I edited your post to put the quote from Marjorie Orr's site in a text box. Can I request that people generally do that if quoting comments from other sites? Otherwise it can become difficult to differentiate personal comments from those being quoted. Thanks Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:52 am
4 by Mark I intend to explore a few charts examining the US government shutdown over the next few days. Firstly, lets take a closer look at the event in regards President Obama's natal chart. In particular transits as these allow a focus on shorter time frames. Some prominent transits: Tr Saturn is applying to square his natal Sun. This aspect is applying over the next 3 weeks and perfects on October 24th. Tr Mars is applying to conjunct his radix Uranus. This aspect perfects on October 7th. Tr Mars conjunct radix NN on October 12th. Tr Mars conjunct radix Pluto on 27th October. Note: Mars is Lord 10 of Obama's chart (equal +placidus) Tr Jupiter is applying to oppose Obama's Saturn. However, it goes stationary retrograde before this aspect can perfect on the early morning of November 6th (Washington time) (00:03 hours EST). Jupiter will be 20'30 Cancer at this point. Jupiter goes Retrograde on 00:04 hours EST on October 8th. Once the Saturn Tr perfects I think the pressure will begin to distinctly lift for Obama. Also with Jupiter going stationary-retrograde the pressure is taken off that opposition to his radix Saturn. Still, it will be interesting to watch political developments to match those Mars transits to Obama's Uranus, North Node and Pluto. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:55 am
5 by Mark In general terms I find Solar Arcs more useful than secondary progressions in timing major developments. However, for shorter term issues the SP Moon can be very helpful. Equally, I always check anything significant like planets ingressing a new sign by SP. Obama's SP Moon is a good demonstration of this. Its currently at 29 Aries but enters Taurus on October 24th ( the same date the Saturn square perfects). The SP moon will then be in a close square to Obama's Jupiter (Lord 2+ 11) on this date. It will also be in sextile to radix Venus (Lord 4+9). The 11th house is usually linked allies/benefactors and the 9th represents legal matters. By Whole sign houses the Moon is moving from the cadent 3rd to the angular 4th. Its also moving from a sign it is peregrine in to one where it is exalted. I see this as testimony of an improvement in conditions for Obama following this ingress of the SP Moon. As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:36 am
6 by Michaelb Hi President Obama currently is messenger of Pluto, the Great Polarizer. Pluto imparts dictatorial authority to one person or a group of persons. Immaterial how these people acquire authority whether through force or the ballot. Pluto dictates, you either obey or be punished. See rules for Obamacare as example. Pluto in Obama chart is 6Vi58 casting Antiscion rounded up to 23Ar01. Using Solar Fire Secondary Directed chart Naibod Timing in R.A. not Longitude, directed to around 27th August 2012 gives 22Ar01 within a degree of Pluto A/c 23Ar01. Around the 15th June 2013 SD Asc directed to 23Ar01 conjunct Pluto A/c. As of October 1, 2013 SD Asc 23Ar23 still in effect, not to be overlooked in current matters. The following has little to do with Shutdown but may prove interesting. It is something I was going to write about during last campaign but backed off not wanting to give folks hiding in the woodwork a chance to, well, you know. This is also something I saw no one on their prediction pages mention and have to wonder why not. The last remark is why I backed off. Obama climb in status is something most people only look at from time of first election. Did they miss the forest for the trees. It is about the Primary Directions using Morinus. Placidus semi, zodiacal, no latitude, promissors to significators, direct, Naibod timing, only the seven planets and 5 aspects if we claim conjunction is aspect. The teaching, found when on Project Hindsight mailing list reading Greek Horoscopes. How a planet say aspected by one of the angles becomes what we might call current transitional ruler until next aspect. This does not demolish natal prediction or potential. Such a planet can rule a few months or Many years. Dr. Regulus goes the other way using Bounds ruler as major ruler, this to was encountered in Greek Horoscopes. I use first method, aspects to planets as major ruler. To each his her own, no argument from me. Scorpio MC ruler Mars. Another ruler we in modern times mostly ignore, Face or better yet Decan Ruler. Was it Rhetorius who avised we consider the Decan for MC as we do for Ascendant. Hint it is a lot more powerful than calling it Face ruler giving it only one point on the scorecard. Venus Decan ruler for MC / in Obama chart. Around March 1 1987 MC Square Mars or sqr of Mars to MC. He entered Harvard Fall of 1988. This aspect still in force Nov 1996 when elected to Illinois Senate. Mars aspect from 1987 03 01 to 1997 05 25, YYMMDD format Shows how Mars even tho natal ruler of MC became current ruler for little more than 10 Years at beginning of his climb in status. We miss such aspects using Outers and mini and micro aspects. Next MC aspect to Decan Ruler Venus 1997 05 25, this aspect lasts, hold on to your seatbelts, until 2020 02 25, around 23 years. Venus presided over Elections in 98, 02, Illinois Senate, plus election to U.S. Senate 04 and two terms as President. Just in case you may be interested, smile smile Michaelb Quote Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:28 pm
7 by james_m interesting comments michaelb. thanks for sharing. is there a prediction in any of that? i can't see it! on a related note, that time frame we isolated via the syrian charts looks like it is going to pass in an uneventful way.. i am happy about that, but it makes me think the technique you had introduced on that thread might not have a lot of value. perhaps you can comment on that thread if you feel inclined. Quote Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:15 pm
8 by Stefan I like to include the Eclipses in addition to progressions and transits. There is an emphasis on radix Neptune in Obama's chart using eclipses and progressions and transits. Radix Neptune is in the 9th house in quadrant houses and or in 10th house in whole sign houses. Which may explain the weakness in Obama's situation right now, not being in power in his role as leader of the country. April eclipse conjunct Neptune (2'50'). In the eclipse chart Saturn is 0'12 from exactly conjunct Neptune. At the Shutdown in beginning of October the eclipse sensitized Neptune is conjuncted by transiting true Node. At 4 October the day of actual shutdown transiting Saturn is conjunct progressed Neptune. Eclipse chart for april 2013 shown below outside Obama's natal chart. In Converse Secondary progressions there is also an emphasis on Neptune. (Using SA in RA for progressed angles). Con.P Asc.-45-NE ( only applicable if Obamas birthtime is on spot). Con. P SU-135-NE The actual repetition of the natal aspect of Obama's radix square aspect of sun Neptune in the progression makes this a prioriated progression in the analysis of the secondary progressions. (See Blaschke's progression book, Charles Carter's nativity rule). http://www.charlescarter.co.uk/nativity-rule.html EDITED(some orbs) Quote Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:14 am
9 by Stefan Charles Carter wrote a long time ago that eclipses to radix planet should be treated as any direction. Eclipses are said to be extra potent and significant in mundane astrology..right ? I feel that Neptune eclipsed in Obama's chart is mirroring the insecurity that marked the time in the last months with all it have entailed with international crises and national issues as well, Shutdown included. Celeste Teal write in her book about eclipses. Eclipsed Neptune: ....................Neptune tends to bring some degree of confusion or uncertainty about the matters of the house where Neptune resides. Some missing peace of information may make it impossible to to resolve an issue, leaving it up in the air. Things hang in a limbo, it may get difficult to get an agreement with someone, or, even worse, someone attempts to deceive........ Quite fitting in this case...'limbo'...difficult to get an agreement... Obamas 'Whole sign houses' system with Neptune in 10th house may fit well as the 10th house in a presidents chart may symbolise the actual government and it's degree of performance I suppose, as the national leader s chart may elevates to a mundane chart to some degree. Also quadrant house systems Neptune in Obama's 9th house of international affairs may do. Which was also a sort of 'limbo' situation arising with the waiting for the congress to have it's say about military sanctions to Syria government). Quote Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:47 am
10 by james_m hi stefan, thanks for sharing. eclipse data has been used to help shed light astrologically for a long time. i think it is tricky knowing which predictive chart to put emphasis on when examining a natal or mundane chart. in the case of obama i would be putting more emphasis on the transit of saturn square his sun, but this does include the position of neptune as it is a part of thenatal square with sun in his chart. here is a overlay of obama's natal with the lunar eclipse for oct 18th coming up. in this chart saturn is almost exactly square his natal sun, while the full moon is exactly square his natal saturn position. further to this mercury is stationary about to go retro and exactly square the rising degree of his chart. i think all of this data has to be understood within a wider framework though and i often ponder the different theories astrologers have about which is the most important predictive method/chart to consider the most significant in understanding them all. i know the theory of some traditional astrologers is that primary directions are the most important.. some traditional types would also consider the solar return, or profection data most central. many modern type astrologers on the other hand would consider sec. progs or solar arc data most relevant. at this point i am undecided in all of it, not becuase i don't want to take a position but because i think an astrologer can get valuable information from it all! sorry for the long paragraph, lol. here is the upcoming eclipse to obamas natal chart. i do think it is interesting how both obama and boehner the leader of the republican house are sun in leo to sun in scorpio while this saturn transit thru scorpio is moving towards both there sun positions. while we don't have any one specific chart for the usa, we do have the leaders charts who are partly responsible for this government shutdown. my feeling is obama is clearly going to come out on top with this from everything i read. it is too bad we don't have an actual birth time for john boehner nov 17 1949! at any rate, i think obams's sun is most emphasized by the transit of saturn with neptune not as relevant. i think the data from this particular eclipse also emphasizes saturn back in the natal chart too.. in the primary directions for obama i seem to recall pd mars or pd saturn connecting with each other for this time, but as i was saying on the other thread about this, since his mars and saturn are in a trine to one another, i don't see it as negative as some might think about it.. my 2cs! image hosting 20mb Quote Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:18 pm
11 by zoidsoft Obama's fortune and spirit ZR likely swap due to Valens statement about using the diurnal formula when the Moon is below the horizon. I haven't found this to always be the case, but it seems more likely when the Moon also falls amiss below the horizon. I have appended an image of the current times for Obama on the date of the govt shutdown: In the above image, notice that the general times Aquarius handed over to Scorpio where Saturn happens to be transiting. This might be considered to be a focus period since the domicile lord happens to be present (the encounter of the natal position of the domicile lord would usually be more potent). This activates the Mars Saturn trine in his chart and this configuration was active during the 2008-2009 bank bailout crisis. It is also interesting that the profection of the ascendant (monthly profection pointer) came to the 7th at the time of shutdown. Fortune (or spirit) releasing comes to Scorpio on the date of the debt limit default. The annual profection of the ascendant (Gemini) encounters the domicile lord (Mercury in Leo) which makes this the encounter of the lord of the year. Negotiation with the opposition is shown. The outcome of the talks should be shown by the dwadasamsa of Mercury which is 27 Leo (conjunct Uranus / North Node) which doesn't look very promising. Curtis Manwaring Zoidiasoft Technologies, LLC Quote Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:43 pm
12 by Mark Hello Curtis, There seems to be some some disagreement between yourself and Chris Brennan on this issue. This already came up in the old thread entitled US Presidential Contest 2012 Obama vs Romney. In that thread you stated the following: Brennan/Watson use fortune in Aries and I take it to be in Sagittarius because of what Valens says about fortune and spirit reversing when one of them falls amiss or when the Moon falls below the horizon in a nocturnal chart. It just so happens when you do this reversal again that Obama hits his 10th from fortune right before the 2008 election which is the highest peak that can be attained in this technique. The fuller discussion between you both is found on page 2 of that old thread: http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... c&start=15 In essence Chris Brenann doesn't apply Valen's proposal of reversing the calculation for fortune and spirit when the moon is below the horizon in a night chart (as in the case of Obama). For research purposes I think it would be interesting to collect examples of such nocturnal charts. Incidentally, when Valens proposes reversing the calculation of fortune/spirit because one them is 'falling amiss' does he principally mean the lots themselves or the luminaries? Also is he thinking principally of them falling in a cadent WSH? Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:24 pm