Saturn conjunct North Node in 12th house 1 by veritas Hi! Can anyone please tell me, how to interpretate Saturn conjunct North Node in 12th house in a horary chart? The conjunction is really tight: less than 1 degree. I don't want to publish the chart. I could PM it. I know Saturn in 12th house is pretty bad in a horary chart. A malefic conjunct with the north increases it's bad influence. Quote Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:36 pm
Re: Saturn conjunct North Node in 12th house 2 by cor scorpii veritas wrote:Hi! Can anyone please tell me, how to interpretate Saturn conjunct North Node in 12th house in a horary chart? The conjunction is really tight: less than 1 degree. I don't want to publish the chart. I could PM it. I know Saturn in 12th house is pretty bad in a horary chart. A malefic conjunct with the north increases it's bad influence. It wholly depends upon what that Saturn signifies in the horary chart - what houses he rules and what his aspects are, etc. Regards, Goran Last edited by cor scorpii on Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:07 pm, edited 1 time in total. http://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com http://klasicnaastrologija.wordpress.com Quote Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:50 pm
3 by veritas That's the problem. I don't know it. I was hoping that an explanation would help me interpretate Saturn's role in the chart. Quote Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:36 pm
4 by gabkins is Saturn one of the significators? OR is it making contact with either querent or quesited? If not then it's probably not the most important thing to look at. You'd probably get a better understanding of the chart if you look first and foremost at the interaction between (and dignities of) the primary significators and the moon. I don't think horary charts waste anything, so if it's not one of the significators for querent or quesited, then it might mean something as kind of "filler" information. But take time understanding the more obvious message of the chart first. If you understand the basic answer the chart is giving, then you might be able to use other planets, etc. to help elaborate on the answer that's already been given by the significators. Gabby Quote Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:13 pm
5 by Saturngirl Hi, What is the moon doing in the horary? Does she make an application to Saturn or the 12th house cusp? Has/is she in application to either of these? She will usually give you the 'background' to the question. Wishes SG Enjoy what you learn,as it keeps the mind youthful!! Quote Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:30 pm
Re: Saturn conjunct North Node in 12th house 6 by Paul cor scorpii wrote:veritas wrote:Hi! Can anyone please tell me, how to interpretate Saturn conjunct North Node in 12th house in a horary chart? The conjunction is really tight: less than 1 degree. I don't want to publish the chart. I could PM it. I know Saturn in 12th house is pretty bad in a horary chart. A malefic conjunct with the north increases it's bad influence. It wholly depends upon what that Saturn signifies in the horary chart - what houses he rules and what his aspects are, etc. Regards, Goran Like Goran says, it depends on what Saturn means in the chart. Really Saturn in the 12th conjunct the NN may not be saying anything pivotal to the horary itself. Let's imagine it's not a main significator and none of our main significators or the moon are in aspect, chances are we could probably ignore this signification and still render a perfectly sound judgement. If instead Saturn is a chief significator or in aspect one, then we would definitely want to work out what it means, unfortunately that would depend on what houses it rules for example, or if it's a significator then which one. As a general rule the north node tends to increase that which it touches, in this case a malefic with no major dignity, so it will increase toward signifying something of a malefic nature. This is the view taken by Bonatti and Johannes Shoener amongst others. There are also others, like William Lilly, who say that the North Node is benefic and so a conjunction to Saturn would be a good thing as it would help temper the malefic nature of Saturn, but that has not been my experience so far when I have seen it in charts, the idea of it increasing it's malefic nature seems more appropriate. Personally I prefer to see it as increasing malice. Even earlier in the tradition, such as during the hellenistic period, both nodes are considered malefic, but I am not always clear if this applies to all the planets or just that it is an infortune for a luminary to be there - those points being the places at which eclipses happen. Quote Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:33 pm
7 by veritas Thanks for the answers: Here is the chart: Scorpio rising means. Mars is the Quested's significator. In square with Venus and Saturn tells me a rather grim story. Saturn in 12th house (joy) conjunct NN increases its maleficint influence. What I don't understand is the role of the moon in this chart. What do Moon and Saturn represent in this chart? The moon is considered a co-significator, but it is in tight conjcuntion with Jupiter. Both in trine with Saturn. Quote Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:35 am
8 by johannes susato You are rather cryptical, veritas . . . Who then is "M"? You, or what sort of person? Perhaps it could be that, even if you would answer this question, the next question would be: 'Consequences of what?' Horary is difficult enough, why make a quiz in addition? This does not seem to be very proper, doesn't it? Quote Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:52 pm
9 by johannes susato veritas wrote: What I don't understand is the role of the moon in this chart. What do Moon and Saturn represent in this chart? The moon is considered a co-significator, but it is in tight conjcuntion with Jupiter. Both in trine with Saturn. The Moon is just translating the light from Jupiter, lord of the 2nd and 4th, to Venus, lady of the 7th and 11th. But what - if at all something for your question - this means, depends completely of the question this horary chart is cast for. Quote Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:08 pm
10 by veritas Horary is difficult enough, why make a quiz in addition? This does not seem to be very proper, doesn't it? Originally, I didn't want to post the horary. But I thought, maybe it could help. M stands for me. The Moon is just translating the light from Jupiter, lord of the 2nd and 4th, to Venus, lady of the 7th and 11th. What does that mean? Quote Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:59 pm
11 by cor scorpii What does that mean? As long as the situation/problem that led to this enigmatic question remains unexplained, it means nothing Regards, Goran http://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com http://klasicnaastrologija.wordpress.com Quote Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:21 am
12 by pankajdubey veritas wrote:Horary is difficult enough, why make a quiz in addition? This does not seem to be very proper, doesn't it? Originally, I didn't want to post the horary. But I thought, maybe it could help. M stands for me. ..... What does that mean? In that case, as a precautionary measure, Don't dial your own number !! Quote Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:33 am