Horary: Is he married? 1 by StellarTiggy I am having suspicions this person who is interested in me is married. I am positive this horary will expire so PLEASE bear with me as I give you the info: 8/20/2013 at 2:36pm in Brooklyn, NY. It should be a 6* Sagittarius ascendant. He is ruled by Mercury in Leo. Why I think the answer is yes, is because the Moon in Aquarius is translating light between Mercury and the Sun. Mercury's combustion seems like a dead give-away that something wrong is happening, the question is, is it definitely another woman? Because he has mentioned his family is a lot of pressure, particularly his father, brother, and other male relatives who take his privacy away. So this is where I am stuck. Does the Sun signify the males in the family or is it another woman? The question was most definitely, "Is he actually married?" Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:12 pm
2 by cor scorpii Hello Well, I can't tell if it necessarily means he's married, but it's very interesting that both Mercury and the Moon are joined to the first and third triplicity rulers of the ascendant (the Sun by conjunction/opposition and Saturn by antiscia and contraantiscia) while none of them even beholds Jupiter, your significator in Cancer which is of course negative in terms of a potential for relationship development between the two of you. Based on this, I'd say there's the possibility of another woman in his life (neighborhood or ralatively long distance relationship maintained by internet communication, for example. If he's studying...) while one may concede his father/male relatives issues are somewhat burdensome for him, because the Sun also rules the Lot of father in Leo. However, as the Sun receives Mercury, I doubt it's as bad as he tries to portray it or it just serves as a cover - up story for another relationship i.e. marriage Saturn/Mercury in fixed signs in this context can signify he's already firmly committed to someone else; that would also be in line with the essential signification of Saturn - bond, responsibility, "burden", an obstacle and a barrier for someone else. Regards, Goran Last edited by cor scorpii on Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:11 am, edited 3 times in total. http://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com http://klasicnaastrologija.wordpress.com Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:55 pm
3 by StellarTiggy Hi Cor, Notice Sun and Mercury are both in the 9th. He is temporarily abroad visiting his family. This means he and I are in the long distance "internet communication." Funny you actually seemed to pinpoint our interaction But if it doesn't point to marriage and the significators aren't telling, then how do you figure there is another woman?? Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:00 pm
4 by cor scorpii StellarTiggy wrote:Hi Cor, Notice Sun and Mercury are both in the 9th. He is temporarily abroad visiting his family. This means he and I are in the long distance "internet communication." Funny you actually seemed to pinpoint our interaction Ok, this fits nicely with the present circumstances of your relationship but the point is that the Sun doesn't represent you. It may designate his father/brothers/being abroad but also some other woman over there because it's the first triplicity ruler of the ascendant. May I ask what prompted you to ask the question, why are you suspicious of him? Goran http://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com http://klasicnaastrologija.wordpress.com Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:08 pm
5 by StellarTiggy May I ask what prompted you to ask the question, why are you suspicious of him? Are you sure the fixed signs don't represent me? We have known one another for a long time. I asked the question because he is acting very strangely ever since he left. His communications have become limited and he is blaming this on his family, but I am doubting it because he's being rude to me. Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:15 pm
6 by cor scorpii StellarTiggy wrote:May I ask what prompted you to ask the question, why are you suspicious of him? Are you sure the fixed signs don't represent me? We have known one another for a long time. I asked the question because he is acting very strangely ever since he left. His communications have become limited and he is blaming this on his family, but I am doubting it because he's being rude to me. I'm using the method as outlined by Sahl/Bonatti/Lilly when trying to figure out if there's another person in the desired partner's life. That's why I've mentioned triplicity rulers of the ascendant being joined to Mercury/the Moon and their aversion to your significator, Jupiter. Jupiter is also in aversion to the ascendant out of the 8th sign Cancer (fears/worries) but this also suggests you don't see yourself quite clearly in the context of this relationship - you're "in the dark" for the most part so most of what you do might turn out to be rather harmful to yourself. Based on this aversion I think you're avoiding certain issues that should not be overlooked in the hope that everything will turn out fine in the end. The Moon/Mercury separation by opposition out of the fixed signs may designate the long standing relationship which has recently reached a boiling point (I don't believe it was ever a harmonious/"loving" one because of the aspect involved, BTW) and is heading toward another - the opposition of the Moon/the Sun as the breaking point and a moment of full awareness of insurmountable differences between the two of you. On the other hand,if you've known each other for a long time, how is it possible you don't know whether he's married or not? Goran Last edited by cor scorpii on Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total. http://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com http://klasicnaastrologija.wordpress.com Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:25 pm
7 by StellarTiggy cor scorpii wrote: On the other hand,if you've known each other for a long time, how is it possible you don't know whether he's married or not? Goran I really don't want to get into personal details, but you can infer that I thought he wasn't married, hence why I am asking the question. Just because he says one thing doesn't mean it's true. When you say the first triplicity ruler are you talking about Sag Rising in the daytime with Sun as the first ruler? I know I would've said that the answer to the question is a no if only the Moon had separated from Mercury by opposition (which is usually a no), but it's actually translating the light to the Sun, with the Sun ALREADY combusting Mercury. So, someone's really stressing him out badly (Sun in dignity in a day chart) and he's trying to say it's his family. I mean, the Sun rules his 3rd so maybe it is his brother or cousins/nephews. I've seen horaries where the Sun signifies a wife. What do you think, and how do you feel about where I am in this chart, did you see that pretty Venus approaching me by square? Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:32 pm
8 by cor scorpii I really don't want to get into personal details, but you can infer that I thought he wasn't married, hence why I am asking the question. Just because he says one thing doesn't mean it's true. Well so much is rather obvious It is also pretty clear to me that your 'knowing him for a long time' has its severe limitations as it seems to be rooted solely/for the greatest part in internet communication; otherwise his potential marriage/relationship would be pretty hard to conceal, you wouldn't be questioning so much the truth of what he says and you wouldn't be asking this question in the first place. Mercury is prone to lying, especially when connected to a malefic without any dignity as is the case with Saturn in Scorpio. That's why I think what he says isn't true, at least in part. That would also explain his rude behavior toward you. As I've already stated, Jupiter in aversion to both of his significators while the Moon separates from Mercury by opposition is not good for obvious reasons. Aversion means loss of sight, loss of sight usually means no potential for a meaningful relationship development. It's two people going their separate ways. Yes, the Sun is the first triplicity ruler of the Sagittarius ascendant. What do you think this approaching Venus might represent in the context of your question? Regards, Goran Last edited by cor scorpii on Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:54 am, edited 1 time in total. http://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com http://klasicnaastrologija.wordpress.com Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:41 pm
9 by Morpheus Since, I dont know 'Tools of Analysis' used by you...I am reading the chart according to 'John Frawley's System' .. Your suspicion seems to be correct.. Currently he is associated with a woman whose either Sun is in Scorpio or Ascendant is in Scorpio...however, that woman has started nagging a lot for the past one year...he does not like her and wants to end that relationship.... Mercury (L7) in contra-antiscia relationship with Saturn in Scorpio. Mercury in the sign of Leo (detriment of Saturn)... He once liked you a lot... (Mercury in Cancer exaltation of Jupiter) currently he is so so...(Mercury in Leo) and would start behaving not good (Mercury in Virgo..detriment of Jupiter).. So, even if he is thinking of ending that relationship with a Scorpio woman...it does not seem that he is going to develop more love for you... Expect major changes in relationships in the month of August (now) ...and late October/November 2013.. Last edited by Morpheus on Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:17 pm, edited 1 time in total. Regards Morpheus https://horusastropalmist.wordpress.com/ Quote Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:09 pm
10 by Konrad Morpheus wrote:Since, I dont know 'Tools of Analysis' used by you...I am reading the chart according to 'John Frawley's System' and Babylonian Horary.. Your suspicion seems to be correct.. Currently he is associated with a woman whose either Sun is in Scorpio or Ascendant is in Scorpio...however, that woman has started nagging a lot for the past one year...he does not like her and wants to end that relationship.... Mercury (L7) in contra-antiscia relationship with Saturn in Scorpio. Mercury in the sign of Leo (detriment of Saturn)... He once liked you a lot... (Mercury in Cancer exaltation of Jupiter) currently he is so so...(Mercury in Leo) and would start behaving not good (Mercury in Virgo..detriment of Jupiter).. So, even if he is thinking of ending that relationship with a Scorpio woman...it does not seem that he is going to develop more love for you... Expect major changes in relationships in the month of August (now) ...and late October/November 2013.. May I ask what 'Babylonian Horary' is? http://www.esmaraldaastrology.wordpress.com Quote Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:11 am
11 by StellarTiggy Morpheus, How do you feel about Mercury's upcoming journey into Virgo, and then Libra which is the exaltation of Saturn? Both of these placements should be fairly positive. Did you figure the woman has a Scorpio Sun because Saturn is in the 12th? Quote Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:10 pm
12 by Morpheus Konrad, It was a mistake to mention 'Babylonain Horary'. The post has been edited. Regards Morpheus https://horusastropalmist.wordpress.com/ Quote Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:18 pm