MAR URA HAD ? ? ? Sudden mean deeds. Sudden damage or death by weapons or other objects. Attempted murder. Death through injuries. Vulgar acts. Sudden destruction. Murder and homicide. Death by accident. Excitement, or loss producing activities. War atrocities. Murder. Suicide

SUN ASC ? ? Personal salutation or greetings. Making acquaintances. Connections. Meeting acquaintances. Personal relationships. Physical relations to other people.

Ariondys wrote:There's a lot of points when including midpoints:((A+B)/2) The salient ones can get lost like a tree in a forest.

Ariondys wrote: I imagine the midpoints 1st, which is one way of not blowing your chart apart. We need ways to cope with the extra information, or it won't help us, it will confuse us, waste our time, and lure us to create many formulas on many many axis. A discussion on coping strategies for too much information would be enviable.

MA/ZE - firearm

13th Degree Taurus

First Image, Outer Symbol

At the left, a dog with a bone in its mouth is being chased by another dog. At the right, two quarrelling females exchanging insults are about to slap each other.

Interpretation

This is a degree of 'egoistic possession', according to Janduz. This is certainly true on the low physical level. As so often happens in the sign of Taurus, the symbols shows the negative marks of the fixed cross (Tau.-Le.-Sc.-Aq.). People with this Ascendant always want to quarrel, and deliver the death-blow (Sc.) either with words or with hands (neg. Ge. fore-axis of Tau.). There is no positive thinking (Sag.); they lack any generosity (Le.) and make no attempt to understand others (Aq.).

The achetypal way of female quarrels of the primitive Taurus-kind is to tear out hair (symbols of Aq.) and bang the opponent on the head (Ar. hind-axis of Tau.), so that all energy (Ar.) is used up tearing apart any links of sympathy (Li.). Thus these people show jealousy (sc.), and are always defending their supposed rights and possessions (Tau.). For objective information (Ge.) and for anything that really matters, they have neither ear(Cap.) nor understanding eye(Aq.). People who quarrel and hurl words at each other have no awareness of their own reflex actions. Only after the fight is over may there be some reflection. They are not at peace (Tau.) with their situation. Their irony is biting (the dogs in the image);their sarcasm is poisonous. They poison their atmosphhere with slanderous talk about the suspected love-affairs of all and sundry, and often they are dangerous rivals.(Sc.).

On the low physical level and emotional level, there is not a great deal of good to say about this degree, especially with the Moon, Mars or Saturn here. However, with the Sun, Venus or Jupiter, this degree may be elevated. For everybody with this degree prominent, there is a lesson to learn. There is the soul development of the fixed cross, and this Taurus degree is an essential one in this respect. These people have to learn the will for self-control (Le.), and transform their intense dislikes (Sc.) into a higher understanding of other people's motives (Aq.). Then they may become a blessing when they speak (G.) out of inner conviction (Sag.), and from a true prophetic vision for the future (Tau.). they may discern the false from the good, and help correct the bad habits and attitudes of those who offend their Creator. Then their biting sarcasm becomes a blessing and they may be furthering the Kingdom of Peace by chasing the false 'dogs' amongst us. Thus there is a tremendous depth in this image.

Second Image, Inner Symbol

A porter is cheerfully balancing a mountain of baggage.

Interpretation

This ancient Sabian symbol was picked up by Marc Jones and Rudhyar as a typical scene of the first half of the twentieth century. It is one of the limitations of any interpreter of symbols, that he projects them into scenes of his own circumstances or culture, assuming that these last for ever. Here is a good example of an ancient symbol seen in the guise of a twentieth-century custom that is virtually non-existent now. Porters carrying luggage for travellers are a thing of the past. However, as long as the earth keeps its force of gravity, there will be people carrying other people's parcels. Whether they are slaves or the free servants of a Higher Master, the symbol is the same: one of cheerfully balancing the burdens of others on one's own shoulders. Here the second image (certainly the inner answer) is the reverse of the first image of egoistic possession. Again we can see all the elements of the fixed cross: the command of the spirit (Le.) over heavy matter (Tau.), transforming and lifting it (Sc.) for others, into a new space (Aq.).

Also present is the fore-axis Gemini-Sagittarius, which is the indication for Taurus as to the direction in which the Higher Self can develop. The hind-axis Aries-Libra is here as well. With muscular energy (Ar.) the burden can be balanced (Li.) by the porter, who by the use of his intellect (Ge.) and by placing the burden on his shoulder (Ge.) with joyful acceptance (Sag.), can be completely confident (Sag.) that this will give the simple effect of movement (Ge.). Those who are on the move for others are always cheerful and optimistic, and a simple blessing to their environment just the opposite of the first image!

Ariondys wrote:I had to fix my post. I used the wrong event year

Ariondys wrote: I'm looking at Uranus being square the 5th cusp.
Is this a recognized natal aspect? I've never seen a cookbook do up these.
Or Node conjunct the 5th cusp.

Ariondys wrote: tNO opposite rNO... Doesn't this describe something about Arias?

I would be paying more attention to the obvious square between uranus and her nodal axis with uranus on the 7th house cusp...

Fascination
If you didn't realize before, you probably see now why the case has drawn a cult following of sorts. It's rife with sex, lies and digital images, many of them naughty, and the dueling attorneys are lively -- nay, bombastic -- in their arguments.

preacher, magician. the eagle and the serpent. dreams, mist, fog. clairvoyancy. clinking glass beads. penetrating, profundity. abyss. blindness. hiding, secrets. mystery, conspiracy. taboo, sin, confession. torment, punishment, anguish. bewilderment, bleeding hearts. the light that shines in the darkness. oven, igneous, ash and smoke. fusion, alchemy, density. the mysteries of blood

Asbolus is serious, intense, humorless, dedicated, strident, motivated, fearful, unsettling, bitter, caustic, foggy, and acerbic, and brings about ordeals and pessimism; it signifies conspiracy, mystery and oppression, the drive for accomplishment, the need for reputation and acclaim, for self-realization because of deeds done; on the one hand, impeccability in action, solidness and consistency, the ability to take compliments; on the other, reckless regard for reputation, lack of integrity, inability to take compliments.

- Nessus connection to strong, powerful emotions, affects, passions and jealousy reveal a relation between Nessus and Pluto
- Nessus is probably the strongest Centaur among the first three
- the feeling to do something "righteous" even if it's cruel (assassins often think so) and totally inhuman, blind fanaticism

IIxion, in Greek mythology, was a descendent of (the firey god) Ares and was king of the Lapiths (a race) in Thessaly (late 14th Century B.C. ). Ixion deliberately renigged on his agreement to pay King Eioneus of Thrace for his daughter, the princess Dia's hand in marriage. In lieu of payment, Eioneus stole Ixion's mares. Ixion, in his rage and retaliation, plotted against his father-in-law, King Eioneus, inviting him to a feast at Larissa and killing him by pushing him into a pit of burning coals. From this, it is said that Ixion was the first human to shed kindred blood. Ixion was then exiled for his deed.

Ixion may include issues of trust and betrayal, where miss-deeds are forgiven, but which occur again, perhaps in vicious cycle, much like a woman who forgives an abusive husband only to be abused again the following day. It may also express as lust and desire for wealth and power.

Keep in mind, Ixion's role is just beginning to be explored in the astrological community. Myth and astrological placements at the time of discovery only lend insight into the true nature of a newly discovered planet or asteroid. Only time-tested research will reveal Ixion's true astrological influence.

Ariondys wrote:
I think we're missing something though.