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damon



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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:43 am    Post subject: using in mundo positions Reply with quote

Hi

How do I check if my in mundo positions are different than my relocated or natal?
This are the coordinates of my planets.

Thanks

Planet Longitude house Speed Latitude Declination
A Sun j 18░51' 7" 9 1░ 1'10" 0░ 0' 0" S 22░ 6'58" S
B Moon l 0░50' 3" 10 14░40' 0" 1░ 8'41" S 12░14'57" S
C Mercury k 3░ 9'27" 9 1░35'51" 1░54'31" S 21░18'37" S
D Venus j 14░34'59" 8 1░15'29" 0░33'16" S 23░11'43" S
E Mars j 12░ 0'30" 8 45'47" 0░49'19" S 23░43' 5" S
F Jupiter k 12░23'55" 10 13'44" 0░39'56" S 17░43'24" S
G Saturn k 0░40'34" 9 7' 3" 0░20' 8" S 20░20' 9" S
O Uranus f 0░ 1'10"# 4 - 1'46" 0░46'30" N 12░11'31" N
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Juan



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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: using in mundo positions Reply with quote

damon wrote:
How do I check if my in mundo positions are different than my relocated or natal?
This are the coordinates of my planets.

To calculate your mundo positions, you need to provide the date, time (preferably UT), and place (or coordinates) of birth (or of relocation). Then you or anybody can use software to calculate your favorite version of "mundoscope": placidus, campanus, regiomontanus... or a list of temporal distances to the angles (parans), and compare the resulting relationships between the planets and the angles with the zodiacal equivalent.

Juan
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Juan



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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damon sent me the birth and relocation data privately, so I will list the calculated in mundo positions (placidus and campanus) here.

Keep in mind that although zodiacal notation is used, the positions are not zodiacal but equatorial in the case of Placidus and Prime Vertical in the case of Campanus. The greatest differences are shown in the Campanus mundoscope.

birthplace:

Placidus Campanus Zodiac
Moon = 22,34 Cap 29,51 Cap 0,50 Pis
Sun = 1,03 Sag 20,08 Sco 18,51 Cap
Mercu = 20,49 Sag 16,28 Sag 3,09 Aqu
Venus = 24,47 Sco 12,46 Sco 14,35 Cap
Mars = 20,56 Sco 8,34 Sco 12,01 Cap
Jupit = 2,10 Cap 3,07 Cap 12,24 Aqu
Satur = 17,16 Sag 11,34 Sag 0,41 Aqu
Uranu = 21,31 Can 28,34 Can 0,01 Vir
Neptu = 17,55 Vir 19,32 Vir 13,09 Sco
Pluto = 11,23 Leo 22,40 Leo 9,56 Vir

relocated:

Placidus Campanus

Moon = 5,58 Cap 10,44 Cap
Sun = 2,27 Sco 15,47 Lib
Mercu = 26,43 Sco 5,24 Sco
Venus = 23,31 Lib 10,29 Lib
Mars = 18,02 Lib 7,40 Lib
Jupit = 11,56 Sag 27,09 Sco
Satur = 23,17 Sco 2,30 Sco
Uranu = 4,51 Can 8,45 Can
Neptu = 0,30 Vir 8,17 Vir
Pluto = 26,25 Can 15,56 Leo

J.
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damon



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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops i dont understand this. How does the Moon moves from 22 capricorn to 5,?
Shouldnt they be house positions like I normally see in relocated?
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Juan



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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damon wrote:
oops i dont understand this. How does the Moon moves from 22 capricorn to 5,? Shouldnt they be house positions like I normally see in relocated?

As I just tried to explain with the exception of the "zodiac" column, they are all house positions. Cap=10th house, Sco=8th house, etc. The zodiacal notation is used only to make the identification of aspects easier.

For example, in the zodiac you have Mercury and Pluto without aspect, but in the relocated placidus mundoscope they are in exact trine from the 26th degree of the 8th and 4th houses.

Your tight Moon/Uranus opposition at birth has no signficant aspect relationship with Venus, but in the birth Placidus mundoscope the Moon and Venus are 2-degrees from an exact sextile, and in the relocated Campanus mundoscope Moon and Venus are forming an exact square (houses 10-7).

Each practitioner should decide whether to use Placidus or Campanus. I guess this is forced on you depending on the house system you prefer.

J.
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damon



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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah now i got it thanks ill check.
I recall Alice Mcdermott once did my in mundo ACG for London. It showed Mars and Venus about 8 degrees closer to the Desc than in normal relocated
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damon



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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: using in mundo positions Reply with quote

damon wrote:
Hi

How do I check if my in mundo positions are different than my relocated or natal?
This are the coordinates of my planets.

Thanks

Planet Longitude house Speed Latitude Declination
A Sun j 18░51' 7" 9 1░ 1'10" 0░ 0' 0" S 22░ 6'58" S
B Moon l 0░50' 3" 10 14░40' 0" 1░ 8'41" S 12░14'57" S
C Mercury k 3░ 9'27" 9 1░35'51" 1░54'31" S 21░18'37" S
D Venus j 14░34'59" 8 1░15'29" 0░33'16" S 23░11'43" S
E Mars j 12░ 0'30" 8 45'47" 0░49'19" S 23░43' 5" S
F Jupiter k 12░23'55" 10 13'44" 0░39'56" S 17░43'24" S
G Saturn k 0░40'34" 9 7' 3" 0░20' 8" S 20░20' 9" S
O Uranus f 0░ 1'10"# 4 - 1'46" 0░46'30" N 12░11'31" N


http://astrologysoftware.com/download/The-Astrology-of-Local-Space.pdf

In the book above M. Erlewine says planets at the altitude of horizon are very important. I have nearly all my planets about 0 degrees S or North. He says it is as important as planets at MC or ASC.
Do you know what kind of influence they have in such positions?

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Ariondys



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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

your planets are at around 0N or S in ecliptic latitude. I think the attribute you are seeking is "altitude" which is not present in the table you show.

Not that ignoring ecliptic latitude is the way to go, I have seen a dramatic example(life threateningly bad teeth, and either some serious karma to work out, or a bad case of the stupids) with Saturn at 0 of ecliptic latitude. Which is Saturn's Node. Significant because it is not approximately 0N or S, but actually 0-00: Saturn conjunct Saturn's ascending node. But I digress...

The horizon circle is the 3d version of the Asc-Dec line. Mostly planets will be conjunct the Asc or Des if they are on the horizon because the ecliptic latitude is always a small number. Pluto would be an exception because it's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic plane; a flat chart could show Pluto in the middle of the 1st house away from the Asc, while in realilty is on the horizon line or even mundanely in the 12th house.
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariondys wrote:
your planets are at around 0N or S in ecliptic latitude. I think the attribute you are seeking is "altitude" which is not present in the table you show.

Not that ignoring ecliptic latitude is the way to go, I have seen a dramatic example(life threateningly bad teeth, and either some serious karma to work out, or a bad case of the stupids) with Saturn at 0 of ecliptic latitude. Which is Saturn's Node. Significant because it is not approximately 0N or S, but actually 0-00: Saturn conjunct Saturn's ascending node. But I digress...

The horizon circle is the 3d version of the Asc-Dec line. Mostly planets will be conjunct the Asc or Des if they are on the horizon because the ecliptic latitude is always a small number. Pluto would be an exception because it's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic plane; a flat chart could show Pluto in the middle of the 1st house away from the Asc, while in realilty is on the horizon line or even mundanely in the 12th house.


so how do i find altitude?

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Ariondys



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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

with a stellarium, assuming it will behave, I have only tried 2.

http://www.stellarium.org/
http://www.southernstars.com/skychart/demos/

stellarium 0.12 is coming up when I click the stellarium in Solarfire, no one told me that would happen, or that I should get it. I picked it off a list of dozens of free?(some of them were at least) stellarium programs one day not so long ago. Hoping one of them might be handier than Skychart III

Skychart Demo III is more useful if less graphical. Be nice if someone would make an astronomy program like it but with an astrologer's numerical desires in mind.
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