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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew, I bet you are Norway's secret songwriter - it cannot be explained otherwise Laughing
I think you are right, Norway's entry is a very good one-if not the best. It reminds of Euphoria, in my opinion.
As you say, it perfectly describes the Moon in Virgo as a nurturer next aspecting Saturn in Scorpio from 12H as "a knife on the back". I don't see much of Neptune in the lyrics though.
I also wonder if Moon's application to Saturn (as lord 3H) adds further to the concept of "neighbour" country.

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The first thing that caught my eye was the inconjunction between Venus and Pluto. I think that the chart for when the finals starts is supposed to say something about what the winning entry is all about. If this is the case of Margaret Berger, then for some it will only be a cool song, but for others - a Mystical insight.


Could you please explain more about this inconjunction between Venus and Pluto? How is this for the Norwegian entry?

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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Geo,
Thank you for your interest. I think Pluto is the 'Norway'-topic, being a Scorpio country. The exactness of the inconjunct between Venus and Pluto indicates something 'unavoidable'. Then I think that the inconjunct aspect reflects the 'demand' (and urgency) of the song.

I have heard other people compare 'I Feed You My Love' with last years Swedish winner 'Euphoria', but personally I think this years Norwegian entry turns in a different direction.

My personal experience of 'I Feed You My Love' is that it is a spiritual thing and about the incarnating spirit breaking into and taking it's place (claiming it, by demand) in the mundane world. Hence, I experience it is all about Neptune in Pisces (a Spiritual entity or Vision) with the Moon applying from Virgo (the Fall of Venus).

Whether this does it on the night remains to be proven, but as far as conviction goes I will take a position and make a stake as on the four previous occasions presented here at Skyscript. A position on Norway i.e. £60 (or at whatever scale is preferable) at the odds of 7:1, and considering a hedge (some security) on Russia, ie. £10 at the odds of 15:1, could be a strategy that offers some fun and excitement.

I am still trying to figure out the Danish entry. Does anyone have an opinion? Confused

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Andrew, I bet you are Norway's secret songwriter

No, but I did perform with Alexander Rybakk (Norwegian winner, 'Fairytale') at a charity event when he was just a kid and demonstrating exception talent.
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am still trying to figure out the Danish entry. Does anyone have an opinion?


I think -as far as the lyrics are concerned- the Danish entry leaves behind a rather Libra feeling. It talks about sorting out and balancing a relationship and make evryone happy. I don't think it fits our planet configuration though.

Eye for an eye why tear each other apart
please tell me why why do we make it so hard [...]
How many times do we have to fight
how many times till we get it right
between us


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I think -as far as the lyrics are concerned- the Danish entry leaves behind a rather Libra feeling. It talks about sorting out and balancing a relationship and make evryone happy. I don't think it fits our planet configuration though.
I agree, it doesn't match! Thumbs up

In my opinion the Eurovision Song Contest is interesting in view of the various elements that make up the 'whole'. If we manage to sort out the most dominant influence in the chart and then attempt to match it with a winner, what would be the most important - the sign associated with the nation, the sun sign of the artist, or the association we make to the song?

Sorry I edited this post a few times, but it took some time to sort out my thoughts. Wink
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe the fact that the Danish entry was selected on 26.01.2013 and only hours ahead of a full moon could be an explaination to all the early publicity this song is receiving


Do you have in mind the song "Wildest Moments" by Jessie Ware?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMJkddvJ4L4

The danish entry "Only teardrops" reminds me a lot of it, which can be an explanation for its immediate popularity..
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:16 pm    Post subject: Eurovision 2013 Reply with quote

Some years the Eurovision is quite difficult to predict (2011 in particular), but in other years a winner can be clearly identified. This year I took a look and quickly identified Norway. I had a look to see what Andrew had predicted, given his previous record of accurate predictions, and was pleased to see that he had also selected Norway, although we had reached the decision by slightly different routes.

I looked at the chart to see if I could identify whether the winner would be male, female, a duet or a larger group. All the signs suggested a female soloist. The ruling planet (whether you take Mars or Pluto) is ultimately disposited by venus. The sun, which is angular and could be indicative of a male singer, is also disposited by venus. The moon in a prominent position at the top of the chart, also suggested a female singer. When I looked at the songs and noticed that the top favourites were all female soloists, this confirmed my initial prediction.

So which one of those favourites should it be? My rule of thumb is that the winner should be at odds of 10 to one or less, and certainly no longer than 20 to one. Taking the odds from Betfair, that only leaves Denmark, Ukraine, Norway and (with odds over 10 to 1) Russia. The best match was Norway, based on the chart of both the country and the singer. I was looking for earth and air elements to be emphasised. I was also looking for exact conjunctions to the MC. Margaret Berger’s venus conjunct the MC of the final, combined with Norway’s MC and Mercury conjunct the Sun of the Eurovision final chart were deciding factors for me.

The placement of the moon should never be underestimated, because that is how the public will feel at the time of the final. Predictions and polls are made at a time when the moon is in a different position, so are not always fully accurate. The moon can indicate whether or not the public is on track. Afflictions to the moon suggest the public is off track, good aspects suggest that the public is right. When Lena won in 2012 she was not the favourite. Azerbaijan was the clear favourite but the moon was applying to a conjuction of Pluto and also made a separating aspect from Uranus, indicating that the mood could change. In the end, Lena won as the second favourite. This year the moon is opposing Neptune. The public is not seeing clearly. The most likely cause of confusion is the current favourite Denmark, whose natal Neptune falls within a degree of Neptune in the Eurovision chart. A Neptune return is not a strong enough aspect to indicate success. Personal planets such as venus provide much stronger testimony.

The moon is in virgo and the public will favour a virgo look. Margaret Berger, with her natal moon in virgo is the perfect example of such a look. Her white dress covers her completely and her hair is in a traditional style. I missed the venus Pluto inconjunct that Andrew noticed but I do think she expresses it well. The lyrics suggest love and pain combined, and there is something compelling about her performance. She manages to be both compelling and understated and this could make her shine when compared with other acts that try too hard. I also like the title ‘I feed you my love’. The feeding is suggested by the prominent and practical virgo moon. The word love is statistically an advantage in a Eurovision song title. Overall the indications for Norway’s success are powerful and the astrological conclusion is confirmed by both odds and polls.
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do not know (yet) who will win , but know that our song from Serbia will not. Thumbs down

I cast the chart for question: Will "Moje 3" go to final?

Data for chart: 9 Mar 2013 6:58pm Beograd, Srbija, ASC=5Li46

Because I do not like their song "Moje 3" gets 7 house ruler Ma which is Under Sun's Beam and in turned 12 house. This placement tell us that they will be somehow "isolated", they will not be center of attention. Next, Moon is VOC, so there will be no change at all, so they will not go to final. Moon is voters and is in no dignity of Ma, so voters are not interested in them at all.


I was right, they did not go to final!
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goca wrote:
Let's see if this would work.
Moon represent voters and because Moon exalts Mercury, that would mean that winner song must be Mercury's "type". The only tittle from all songs that fits is "You and Me"(Switzerland) because Mercury means at least two, especially as in this case where Mercury is in mutable sign. Mercury is also ruler of Switzerland which is in Virgo sign.


This method did not work, they did not go to final.
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goca: Switzerland was a hard case. You were bold in suggesting their success. Maybe you did it without considering the musical content or other factors. Whether the technique you suggested has anything to offer in determining the winner, can be worked out in the aftermath when we see how things work out.

Fixed Star: Thank you! That was rather an interesting contribution you made there with a backtrack and several interesting observations on previous winners. Thank you also for summing up some of my thoughts in such an orderly manner.

Either way it is going to be exciting. Judgement can only be measured up according to a best fashion, and a weakness in my analogy would be that I have not gone into the same detail and depth on every entry. Let's face it - this is first and foremost an exercise in judgement and unravelling. How do we listen in to the chart, and can we recognize what people are 'expecting to hear' or put at the top of the list?

Ukraine climbed on the odds ranking after polishing up their entry 'Gravety' and providing a presentation video that reminded of the movie Avetar. Avetar is Neptunian and 'Gravety' is Saturn - but I am not sure the meanings are combined in the right fashion. Both Denmark and Ukraine have for more hits on Youtube than the Norwegian entry, but this could also be explained by the fact that Norway is a country with a population of a mere 5 million people - so such ratings might give the entire picture.

Some of the entries are rather 'wild', but that is interesting in terms of where they are coming from - and other times in terms of how cultures try to approach one another. Smile
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denmark wins Eurovision 2013 with ’Only Teardrops’

Well, there is nothing else to do but that one’s hat off for Denmark and Emmelie de Forest who triumphed with ‘Only Teardrops’ in the Eurovision final 2013. And it is all about love.


Emmelie de Forest and Denmark with 'Only Teardrops'

Darn it, there is that exact inconjunct aspect between Venus and Pluto right beneith my nose. How many times haven’t I told clients the inconjunct aspect had difficulty in seeing ‘eye to eye’; "Eye for an eye, why tear each other apart? Please tell me why, why do we make it so hard? Look at us now, we only got ourselves to blame. It’s such a shame.” The Moon opposite Neptune, so easy to take to tear. One of the first things I sat grumbling over when the winner was clear, the association between the Moon in Virgo and the world ‘Only’. ‘Only teardrops’ – the Moon in Virgo opposite Neptune.

Personally, I think that the Norwegian entry ‘I feed you my Love’ was a better song than ‘Only Teardrops’, but this was a competition the Norwegian NRK did not want to win and you could feel television bosses breathing more easily and commentators could cheer the Norwegian entry on a low note as it become obvious that a save margin to the top was in the making. If anything ‘I feed you my Love’ may have been toned down by the NRK in video presentations and on the night (there are ways of doing this in a very obscure manner), in contrast to Denmark, who really went out and said ‘We want this event!’

‘No Shooting Star to guide us…’
This clichè made no sense to me in my early meetings with ‘Only Tears’, because even if I could get my camel to move fast enough to catch the guiding star, as the song says; there was nothing really there in the first place. But then maybe the point is that many a wish for love has been made upon a shooting star, and without the magic of such a moment - all is lost. That's the way it rolls...


Margaret Berger and Norway with 'I feed you my Love'

Emmelie de Forest was definitely a Solar entity on this evening. in comparison, the Norwegian Margaret Berger was more like a Lunar counterpart, maybe with the influence of Virgo, Neptune and even Saturn. Margaret did what she was supposed to, yet bleakened in the presence of the Sun. The Danish stage show was terrific with strong Golden colours and an obvious presence of royalty. I had trouble putting together an understanding of the Danish entry; Denmark as a nation is not obvious in the event chart, neither is are the Solar qualities. Yet it worked for Denmark, just as the Sun is naturally exalted in Aries, the sign associated with this nation. So Gold would do well and pass on a message? As Golden Showers poured down over the Eurovision Arena, the use of a similar phrase in Frank Zappa’s ‘Bobby Brown’ passed threw my mind – but then I thought this song was mostly about sex and drugs, something ‘Only Teardrops’ is certainly not.

One thought that did pass my mind, considering Norwegian and Rybak won with ‘Fairytale’ in 2009, this was so definitely Algol at 26 Taurus ( ‘I don’t care if I lose my mind, I’m already cursed’ ); if you direct the Sun 4° ahead from this point to 2013, then it is conjunct the fixed stars Pleiades, “The Weeping Sisters”. So there is a new winner for you: “Only Teardrops”.

The Danish made a lot of improvements on their entry up to the final night. As I said earlier, I thought their stage show was impressive and Emmelie de Forest handled the occasion with confidence. The flute had in my opinion been a weak point in previous versions, the official video as example, but this had been tightened up and there were no energy leaks as the entry came across from Malmö. Azerbaijan came 2nd. Also this entry displayed an impressive stage show. A guy trapped in a glass vault duplicated and mirrored movements performed by other artists on the stage. Terrific performance. My experience being that the glass vault represented the ‘Soul Cages’ and the micro-cosmos reflected the images of a world beyond.

Not everyone understood how Ukraine managed to advance to the 3rd place, but this was an accomplishment for the Ukraine production team who, as I mentioned in a previous post, made great improvements to the musical arrangement of ‘Gravety’, and made an presentation video that built upon associations with the masterpiece movie ‘Avatar’. All in all, the spiritual context present in the Norwegian entry ‘ I feed you my Love’ was expressed in different fashions this evening and bringing nations to the top of the scoreboard. Maybe it’s culture, maybe it’s politics, maybe it’s finances – but either way, the Eurovision takes us to Copenhagen, so see you all there the same time next year!
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi Andrew!

I was also disappointed with the results - I simply didn't like the winning song at all.
Neptune was there after all:

Dutch newspaper publishes that NOS has made claims that the 2013 winning entry “Only teardrops” is a copy of K-otic’s 2002 song “I surrender”. K-otic is a Dutch band. However, a member of K-otic says that while there are some similarities it can hardly be called plagiarism.

Dutch producer and talent show judge Eric van Tijn says, “Eurovision songs should be new compositions. The [flute] melody is clearly one-on-one, that is undeniable. Still, I think it a storm in a glass of water, because it is only similar in the intro”. Sietse Bakker from the EBU says, “There is a difference between plagiarism and songs that sound similar. Such claims are made every year. From my experience, the conclusion always is that the songs sound alike, but it’s not plagiarism”.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A3IS5lTf_I

On the other hand, it's just eurovision: everything here resembles of something else..Lala Happy

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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking that maybe the solution key to this year's contest, was Mercury.
Mercury disposes the Moon, it's powerfully placed in 7H in Gemini (young) and next aspects Venus (woman). PoF (03Pis10) is also disposed by Jupiter in Gemini.
I don't know if danish singer de Lorette was the youngest girl of the contest, but she surely seemed to be.

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I cannot see Denmark signified in the event chart as a nation. Either that what appears in the event chart is a variable, or the nationality is a specific that shows up more evidently in a horary? The first song was presented at 21.13 CEST, at which time the asc was 28SC24 and more appropriately agreed with sunset. That is if we are looking for something something that draws the solar energy to the foreground, but I would be most comfortable in judging the event chart as it stands, defining the moment for when the show starts.

Emmilie de Forest was beautiful and made a great performance. She is born 28.02.1993 and has her Sun 10 Pisces trine Mars in 10 Cancer. Her Moon is in late Taurus, but it could be anywhere from about the 20th degree and up to an exact conjunction with the fixed stars of Pleiades, "The Weeping Sisters". I heard the winning entry being played again on the radio yesterday and it still fails to impress me, but it was well presented and had it's day.
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the right way to judge such event charts is to apply the same rules as regarding a soccer match.

We should look if there is a testimony which is likely to move the outcome away from the favorite. If there is none, we expect that the favorite will get it and we do not need to look at the symbolism of the chart. It just won't work.

If there is a testimony showing that the favorite won't get (such as affliction of the lord of hour, the Moon, PoF, its dispositor, etc.) we should look at the symbolism of the chart.

The Moon is particularly important, for it shows the mood of the public. If she is not afflicted and applies to her dispositor or almuten, or the lord of hour or dispositor of POF, in particular with reception, and if the application is not by opposition, it is a clear indication that the favorite will get it and will outweigh whatever is symbolized by the chart. If there are many applications, the application to her dispositor prevails, unless the dispositor or the Moon is afflicted or a negative reception involved, which is an indication that the favorite won't get it.
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The Moon is particularly important, for it shows the mood of the public. If she is not afflicted and applies to her dispositor or almuten [...] it is a clear indication that the favorite will get it and will outweigh whatever is symbolized by the chart.


you are right! Moon's next aspect was her dispositor, Mercury! Shocked
why did i think it was saturn?? Confused
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