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Will I get my career job before my mother's next birthday?
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StellarTiggy



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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Will I get my career job before my mother's next birthday? Reply with quote

My mother's next birthday is in July 2013, the question came out of an idea that I want to give my mother a nice gift. I am about to graduate college this year and want to be established before her birthday and I have a field in mind, it is just a matter of securing a position in the field.

Here's the horary and I am sorry for the future when it expires:



At first I was jumping with joy because Venus and Saturn apply in a sextile. I also saw the Moon translate light between Venus and Saturn (do you see it?) and technically I still believe it is a yes for both of those reasons, and if nothing else the Moon's next aspect is a sextile with Saturn. But I do see Venus applying to Mars by square and I am not sure if this is frustration. What do you think about the 10th house ruler in the 6th? And before you ask, I intend to move out ASAP after getting the job--it is my first priority.

Will I get this awesome job by her birthday next year? (Tzadde dear I encourage you to contribute as I appreciate your input)


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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't resist this invitation. Smile

I've noticed something striking... The 10th House signifies both the job you're looking for and the mother. Venus is the diurnal significator of the mother and here is Lady of Ascendant. The Moon is the nocturnal (and more general) significator of the mother and she does a translation of light between Venus and Saturn, ruler of 10th and almuten of 6th (the cusp is in Saturn's term).

You said your mother's birthday is in July, has she Sun in Leo, close to horary's IC? I know it's not relevant, but may Venus be a hint to show your strong feelings for your mother? Among the pointed out significators, of course.
As a side note: the day and the hour are ruled by Venus.

More importantly, do you have any natal planet conjunct any significator from this horary chart?

For timing, I would suggest you use Regiomontanus house system, because Placidus is based on Sun's motion, while Regiomontanus expresses the time. Fortunately, there isn't a big difference between them in practical terms, so I take the Moon in 8th and in common Sign to mean weeks or months. Now we only need to see the Moon's motion, is speedy or slow? If speedy, then weeks; if slow, then months.

I don't know how to determine the Moon's speed without a software, so maybe someone here might be willing to share this bit of information. Between Moon and Saturn are 9 degrees and 8 minutes. So there could be either 9 weeks and 8 hours or 9 months and 8 days.

I hesitated whether to use Mercury or not, because the job you are looking for might relate better to 6th than to 10th. You are going to be someone's assistant, I guess, not commanding around. Were Mercury the real significator, you wouldn't get any job before your mother's birthday.
Saturn here might be the saviour of the horary, because he is placed in 6th and is almuten of this House.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Tzadde,

I am overjoyed to hear from you and you are always welcome! My mother's Sun is actually still in late Cancer. Interesting you mention natal planets conjunct the horary placements, it looks like my mother was experiencing a lunar return when I asked this horary because her natal Moon is almost conjunct the horary Moon. As for me, I am a Libra Rising so Venus signifies me and all the Libra planets are in the 1st, in fact transiting Mercury was applying toward my natal Ascendant. Whether I will be an assistant or not is unclear at this point but it will be an entry level position in a field related to my degree, however it will be entry level in a pretty difficult field. So I am assuming I will have quite a bit of work and some authority along with the nature of the job! The intent here is NOT menial work of any sort that why Saturn's placement in the 6th scared me. For a moment I made a joke that Saturn as ruler in the 10th in MY 6th means I am going to make my job serve me, or become *my* assistant. Hehe!


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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Tzadde,

I am overjoyed to hear from you and you are always welcome! My mother's Sun is actually still in late Cancer. Interesting you mention natal planets conjunct the horary placements, it looks like my mother was experiencing a lunar return when I asked this horary because her natal Moon is almost conjunct the horary Moon. As for me, I am a Libra Rising so Venus signifies me and all the Libra planets are in the 1st, in fact transiting Mercury was applying toward my natal Ascendant. Whether I will be an assistant or not is unclear at this point but it will be an entry level position in a field related to my degree, however it will be entry level in a pretty difficult field. So I am assuming I will have quite a bit of work and some authority along with the nature of the job! The intent here is NOT menial work of any sort that why Saturn's placement in the 6th scared me. For a moment I made a joke that Saturn as ruler in the 10th in MY 6th means I am going to make my job serve me, or become *my* assistant. Hehe!
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Tzadde has already noted, there is a problem here as the ruler of the 10th could be for the mother or the "awesome" job. (This is a job to impress and delight the mother, so I would look to the 10th. But the 6th house involvement, with the ruler of the 10th in the 6th, is interesting.) Tzadde has skillfully tried to find alternative significators to separate out "job" and "mother".

But I wonder if the "awesome" nature of the job actually means an awesome pay-check? Is the question actually, "Will I get a really high paying job which will impress my mother....?" I note here that Jupiter is on the cusp of the 2nd and the moon, disposed by Jupiter, has already translated the light from Jupiter to Venus. Is there a job offer on the table already?

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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StellarTiggy, your chart is gone! Shocked

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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

21 September 2012, 09:04 PM, New York.

StellarTiggy wrote:
As for me, I am a Libra Rising so Venus signifies me and all the Libra planets are in the 1st, in fact transiting Mercury was applying toward my natal Ascendant.

From the looks of it, Mercury was an actual good choice... so the answer is rather negative... Sorry.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tzadde wrote:
21 September 2012, 09:04 PM, New York.


Thank you, Tzadde!
Is
AC 22 16 Taurus, and
MC 25 16 Aquarius
correct then?

Thanks in advance.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johannes susato wrote:
Tzadde wrote:
21 September 2012, 09:04 PM, New York.


Thank you, Tzadde!
Is
AC 22 16 Taurus, and
MC 25 16 Aquarius
correct then?

Thanks in advance.


Nope, here you go dear, it is a 22 degree Tau ascendant.


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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, let me explain the motivation behind the horary because I think there might be some confusion.

The horary stems from the desire to obtain a decent financial and status position, so the idea behind this is obviously "if I don't obtain a good financial position I won't be able to pay for a nice gift." I feel this is inherent and so separating it might be a mistake. The idea is that *everything* goes together in 1 breath, the position will do well with the salary AND the status/responsibility.

I don't have a job offer on hand at the moment.

Also I have carefully read the responses and Tzadde suggests Mercury as the job significator and another poster suggested Saturn/10th for the mother but that confuses me because this chart is noctural and I thought the Moon is the mother in nocturnal charts Shocked Also I thought it was pretty cool that the horary Moon was conjunct my mother's natal Moon. I don't want to come off rude to anyone so please take this with a grain of salt but I don't understand why the traditional rulerships are being changed because there was a positive answer? The 10th is traditionally signified for career matters so I was using this, and the 1st is the querent which is me. Then the Moon is a general significator of things to come. I know Tzadde kindly tried to find the significator for my mother in the chart Smile although I am not sure it is necessary because the horary is actually about the job more than my mother, I used my mother's birthday as a timeframe.

Venus is actually my natal significator so I understand why I am signified by Venus, and Venus is in the 4th ruler of the family. Personally I still believe the job is Saturn because I won't be going for 6th house work any time soon, I've invested a lot of money into my education. I was thinking Saturn in the 6th might be going into the medical profession but that doesn't make sense to me because I am not going into medicine.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Venus (querent), strong in her terms and in the fourth, just gave her light to the Moon. The Moon, now received by Saturn (job) in his terms, will perfect the sextile to Saturn, received by him in his face then. This translation of light was already mentioned before and it will bring the desired job and this probably not before about 6 months, but before the mother's birthay.

Saturn is essentially strong in his exaltation, but accidentally rather weak in the sixth. Thus the job might be overesteemed and/or it will not be got as easy, as the querent might expect it to be or else it will be a little exhausting.

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Johannes,

Thank you for your reply and interpretation. The job will likely have veeeeeeeery long hours. Please explain how you reached your timeframe.

StellarTiggy


johannes susato wrote:
Venus (querent), strong in her terms and in the fourth, just gave her light to the Moon. The Moon, now received by Saturn (job) in his terms, will perfect the sextile to Saturn, received by him in his face then. This translation of light was already mentioned before and it will bring the desired job and this probably not before about 6 months, but before the mother's birthay.

Saturn is essentially strong in his exaltation, but accidentally rather weak in the sixth. Thus the job might be overesteemed and/or it will not be got as easy, as the querent might expect it to be or else it will be a little exhausting.

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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StellarTiggy wrote:
The horary stems from the desire to obtain a decent financial and status position, so the idea behind this is obviously "if I don't obtain a good financial position I won't be able to pay for a nice gift." I feel this is inherent and so separating it might be a mistake. The idea is that *everything* goes together in 1 breath, the position will do well with the salary AND the status/responsibility.

The salary is 11th (second after tenth) and the status/career is 10th. Both ruled by Saturn, so we agree here.

StellarTiggy wrote:
Also I have carefully read the responses and Tzadde suggests Mercury as the job significator and another poster suggested Saturn/10th for the mother but that confuses me because this chart is noctural and I thought the Moon is the mother in nocturnal charts Shocked

I didn't try to find the mother in the chart. I only pointed the strong connection between the mother and the question. I suggested Mercury because he rules 10th by nocturnal triplicity, which could be taken as another significator of the quesited, because he rules 2nd (money) and because he is the first in 6th House.

StellarTiggy wrote:
Also I thought it was pretty cool that the horary Moon was conjunct my mother's natal Moon.

I have seen the strong connection between this question and your mother, and this statement only proves the point.

StellarTiggy wrote:
I don't want to come off rude to anyone so please take this with a grain of salt but I don't understand why the traditional rulerships are being changed because there was a positive answer?

Nothing was changed because of a positive answer. I noticed Mercury could be used as well as Saturn and I asked for connections with your natal chart to see which one is to be used. You said Mercury was conjunct natal Ascendant and that was what I was looking for. You see, horary charts bow to querents' natal charts. There is no place to argue about this. The natal astrology is the radix which acts like a beacon for horary astrology. As a master puts it, "you can't cheat the real root".

StellarTiggy wrote:
The 10th is traditionally signified for career matters so I was using this, and the 1st is the querent which is me. Then the Moon is a general significator of things to come. I know Tzadde kindly tried to find the significator for my mother in the chart Smile although I am not sure it is necessary because the horary is actually about the job more than my mother, I used my mother's birthday as a timeframe.

Yes, I understand this, read my previous point about not trying to find the mother. The Moon indeed signifies the things to come. Applying to Saturn, ruler of 10th, it means something related to your mother, as Mercury already taken (stolen? the thief!) the signification. I guess you will find the job after your mom's birthday.

StellarTiggy wrote:
Venus is actually my natal significator so I understand why I am signified by Venus, and Venus is in the 4th ruler of the family.

This is something that intrigued me. Is your mother a single parent? The only one who raised you?

StellarTiggy wrote:
Personally I still believe the job is Saturn because I won't be going for 6th house work any time soon, I've invested a lot of money into my education. I was thinking Saturn in the 6th might be going into the medical profession but that doesn't make sense to me because I am not going into medicine.

It is not related to medicine and obviously not to your education money (sorry, but the employers don't care at all about your education, they care about your productivity).

Both Mercury and Saturn are essentially good, but accidentally weak. This means the job won't match your expectations, if there is any job in the first place. You have really high expectations and qualifications (essential dignities) and you will be disappointed because of that (accidental debility).
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StellarTiggy wrote:
Hi Johannes,

Thank you for your reply and interpretation. The job will likely have veeeeeeeery long hours. Please explain how you reached your timeframe.

StellarTiggy

Hi, StellarTiggy,

gone,gone,gone again - your chart. What a pity! Sad

As to the time frame: as far as I remember, the Moon needs 9 degrees and some minutes to perfect her sextile. So there are about 9 time units but as I did not check whether the slightly fast Moon is steady, accelerating or slowing down I chose this broad time frame.

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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chart is back and if it disappears again I will update it, thanks!

johannes susato wrote:
StellarTiggy wrote:
Hi Johannes,

Thank you for your reply and interpretation. The job will likely have veeeeeeeery long hours. Please explain how you reached your timeframe.

StellarTiggy

Hi, StellarTiggy,

gone,gone,gone again - your chart. What a pity! Sad

As to the time frame: as far as I remember, the Moon needs 9 degrees and some minutes to perfect her sextile. So there are about 9 time units but as I did not check whether the slightly fast Moon is steady, accelerating or slowing down I chose this broad time frame.

Johannes
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