House for a child to be adopted

[cosmicdolphin]

Hey all

Here is a question. What house would represent a child to be adopted?

I am split between 7 and 11th

thanks
CD

[johannes susato]

As the child as the 'subject' of the adoption is not a future partner or just only another person (house 7), but is the child of another person (the 5th from the 7th), the child is signified by the 11th and its Lord.

Johannes

[johannes susato]

The special act of adoption then transformes the child of another (11th = 5th from the 7th) to the child of the 'new' parents, signified by house 5 and its Lord.

Johannes

[Paul]

What is the question?

If you see the child as goods to be transacted, and one hopes that you would not, then it is Lord 8. However, in the sense that it is your child, adopted or not, then it is Lord 5 as usual.

Unless you are asking in a more general way of someone else's adopted child, in which case it is the fifth from the house that pertains to that someone else, so probably the 5th from the 7th.

[johannes susato]

Assumed the question (and this was my understanding of CD' s question) were by the adopting parents: whether to adopt a child at all or a child already known to them?

[Paul]

[Tzadde]

I think the general significator of children, Jupiter, can come in handy.
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[cosmicdolphin]

Hi all

Thanks.

I am just looking at one PDF that says that a child to be adopted is 7th house. I had a VERY tough time with this and after finding a story about a heartbreak of a parent, it totally ended up to be more confusing. She went somewhere and tried to adopt a 12 year old, everything was fine UNTIL she went to court to formalize the documents. The child had a meltdown, he said to the judge that he didnt want to be adopted (he is an orphan and 100% legal to be adopted) because he was leaving his friends behind. There was nothing the judge could do. So someone else on the blog said that there are countries that the judge take 12 year old's opinions even against any kind of logic as valid and turn down the petition for an adoption. In most countries a minor is a minor and 12 year old goes to the parent after the judge says Ok.

so astrologially speaking, if she had asked "will i adopt a child from xxx country?," which house would represent the child? 7th/11th/or jupiter?
And after adoption, does the child flip to be 5th house?

puzzling,
CD

[R.J. Smith]

[johannes susato]

[cosmicdolphin]

Hi all

Thanks, everyone!

RJ. the reason why I thought of 7th house for a second even though it didnt make any sense is because of what I wrote from someone's blog.
11th house for it is someone else's child.

Johannes susato,
that is exactly what I was asking/wondering. Does it change when a child is known or unknown?

"should we adopt *named child*?"
"should we adopt a child from blahblahblah country's orphanage?"

cheers everyon1
CD

[Tzadde]

11th is the joy of Jupiter, the general significator of children, so there is a connection. Also, in nativities children can be signified by both 5th and 11th.

And no, really doesn't matter what are the words of the question, what matters is the intention, the search for an answer. It is the child that you are interested in, not his name or his origin.
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Amor ordinem nescit.
Love does not know order.
- Saint Jerome -

[johannes susato]

[PFN]

[cosmicdolphin]

Hi all

thanks PFN.
There are a quite few books one comes to mind that said if 5th makes no sense *in native's chart* in another words if 5th does not gift the person with a child, then look at 11th.

Thanks everyone

CD