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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Euro 2012 - football Reply with quote

Euro 2012 - football

Posting two charts just to get the ball rolling.

The Opening Match between Poland and Greece on June 8.




The Fixture set for the Final on July 1.



We can get back to judging this exciting event and I expect we will follow the tournament from match to match. Smile
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The participating nations this year are:

Croatia – Virgo
Czech Republic - Sagittarius
Denmark - Aries
England - Aries
France - Leo
Germany - Aries
Greece - Virgo
Ireland - Taurus
Italy - Leo
Netherlands - Cancer
Poland - Taurus
Portugal - Pisces
Russia - Taurus
Spain - Sagittarius
Sweden - Aquarius
Ukraine - ?

Useful links: UEFA 2012, Wikipedia
For the odds: Betexplorer
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EURO 2012

Here is a chart for the opening of the thread, if anyone would like to considered that chart from the perspective of a horary. Or it could have been a good moment to open a thread? Cast for my location, just outside Oslo in Norway.



The chart would appear quite potent with the Moon conjunct the exaltation degree of Jupiter and trine the ascendant. Spain, ruled by Jupiter, are the reigning champions. Mars, Lord of the ascendant and the 5th house, is culminating in the South and is significator of the contest.

It is interesting how Chiron in Pisces is on the cusp of the fourth house, because the arrangement is split between the two nations of Poland and Ukraine.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some more odds from Unibet, as this tells us something about the expectations and likelihoods of the contest from the start. Wink

Outright winner
Spain - 3,50:1
Germany - 3,80:1
Holland - 7,50:1
France - 11,00:1
England - 12,00:1
Italy - 15,00:1
Portugal - 17,00:1
Russia - 25,00:1
Poland - 50,00:1

Teams in the final:
Spain/Germany - 6,00:1
Spain/Holland - 10,00:1
Germany/Holland - 11,00:1
Spain/England - 12,00:1
Spain/Italy - 16,00:1
France/Spain - 20,00:1
Germany/Italy - 25,00:1
Italy/Holland - 25,00:1
Germany/France - 25,00:1
Portugal/Spain - 25,00:1
Russia/Spain - 25,00:1
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the Opening match, the chart as in the first post.
We have time to discuss the chart details

Poland - Greece, 18.00 CEST June 8. 2012, Warsaw
Odds: 2,00 3,15 4,00
Asc 17SC35 MC 6VI45 Moon 14AQ48 POF 14CN08
Day Venus, Hour Moon - radical by powers with asc

I would like to start by pointing out that we have an example of this type of radicality on May 20. between Rosenborg and Odd Grenland. Moon was Lhr with a Scorpio Ascendant, although there was agreement in that chart to Mars, L1, by triplicity - which might explain the 0-0 draw.

Mars, L1, is sextile the asc. but then this was also the case in the Rosenborg match, without the home team getting anywhere. Maybe the sextile through signs of long ascension is an obstacle? Could Mars, the home team, be infortunated by the square to the Sun? Venus, L7, is weak by combustion and retrogradation. However, POF is inconjunct the Moon - and this may be a testimony of the outsider. The exact semi-sextile between Venus and POF may be significant.

The Moon is intercepted and cadent. Maybe there are nerves and caution, or matters may lie into the deep at the start of the this tournement. My mind is not settled, but I feel like moving away from the favourite and making the draw a starting-point for further discussion.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall prospects

Obviously, I am looking forward to the challenge this contest offers for out astrological judgement. I notice that the Moon conjunct the exaltation degree of Jupiter in the chart of opening the thread could, horarywise, indicate both Spain (Sagittarius) or Holland/the Netherlands (Cancer). This signification could be Portugal (Pisces), too, but it feels as if success is out of reach for Portugal at present - but we should keep our eyes open as things start up. Shocked

In the chart for the Final, the Moon in Sagittarius could again be a testimony for the Spanish team. The chart is cast for the hour of Jupiter, and Jupiter joined to the Moon's South Nodes could indicate a leaning to habits and the past... (Same proceedure as last 'year'?) The defender of the title would, if in the final, be represeted by the Ascendant. Saturn, L1, is in his exaltation, nonagesimal, square the ascendant and holds matters in check. However, the type of radicality as between Jupiter, LHr, and Saturn, L1, which is by triplicity - quite often seems to indicate a draw. I believe that many people would agree that the likelihood of Spain reaching the finals is high, but against who?? Germany, Holland?? And are there any charts that could upset the wagon on its way. Razz

Really, I think that the odds that are offered for Spain winning the whole tournament 3,50:1 are poor in terms of risk/reward. Thumbs down A better strategy would be to try and sort out the tournement as it proceeds from one match to the next. Maybe we should also stick to those matches where testimonies seem certain, or at least may a differenciation when the result seems to be in the balance... Wink

Maybe the chart for the final suggests 'no changes'?
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can Croatia Win??


Egil 'Drillo' Olsen is impressed by the Croatian team. Photo: Wikipedia.

Croatia can win Euro 2012, says the legendary Norwegian football coach Egil 'Drillo' Olsen [the Mad Professor - reknown for his wellingtons on the football pitch] in an interview with Aftenposten today (link). Egil Olsen lead the Norwgian team to the World Championships in 1998, where thy beat Brazil 2-1. The Norwegian team beat Brazil twice during this period.

Croatia are ruled by Virgo according to Lilly and others. In the chart for the first match of the tournement, Mars L1 is in Virgo in the 10th house. Mars in Virgo is ruler of the 10th house in the chart of the final. And check the chart for the Opening of the Thread, a Potential Horary. Here Mars L1 is angular and culminating on the Virgo Midheaven.

Unibet quote the likelihood of Croatia winning at the odds of 50:1.
Spain meeting Croatia in the final at 40:1.
Germany against Croatia in the final at 50:1.
Croatia beating either Spain or Germany in the final 150:1.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Astro*Cartography Chart

Here is the Astro*Cartography for the preceeding syzygy, being the partial lunar eclipse of June 4. 2012 at 11.13 GMT.


The eclipse lies on the meridian of many sites in Europe with the Moon in direct North of Oslo at 10E45 and Southward. According to tradition it is the dispositor of the Luminary above the horizon that becomes the Lord of the Eclipse, so this would be Mercury, who lies directly South and on the meridian of Warsaw, the City that holds the opening match.
Venus lies South of Zagreb, Croatia, and Jupiter lies South of Spain, and so on...

I guess some of you might find the chart interesting. Smile
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the preceeding syzygy with the chart of Croatia cast for the Declaration of Independence on October 8. 1991 when there was a New Moon in 15 Libra. It will be discovered that the syzygy beholds these luminaries by a tight aspect, as if the luminaries in the National Chart mediated the opposition of the lunar eclipse on June 4. 2012! Surprised
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, I see that - after 22 years - Germany is still divided into halves.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's me not bothering to update my software. But I'd really like to discuss the football and astrology and not my software! Wink

At the moment I am wondering whether Spain/Germany (the favourites) at 6:1 is an easy bet, or whether Spain/Croatia at 40:1 offers a more exciting option. I really like the position of Mars in Virgo in several of the charts provided (check the 'horary'). Then in the chart for the Final, the Moons North Node is in Sagittarius, ruling Spain, with Jupiter joined to the Moon's South Node. Could this mean the Trophy returning to where it came from? The odds 6:1 seems a good price for Spain/Germany in the final, but then these events often open up for an unexpected turn. Do we have anything indicating that this could happen?
And what are the options? Smile


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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:30 am    Post subject: Final Reply with quote

Hi,
Let's be honest - over the years (in whatever forum) the predictions all in all have not been very satisfying.
No, I'm not going to say that mine have been more successful. However: the times I was successful were with charts of the (probable) end of a match - ("probable" - as in finals and semi finals extra time, 30 min. or even more... cannot be ruled out). The end of a match relocated to the capitals of the two teams.
This suprisingly often leads to good results.



The probable end of the final, Berlin - well, might be some minutes later. This doesn't look bad for the German team (well, provided, of course, they should indeed be in the final ...) - but the chart for Rome, Italy is not so very different, with Berlin and Rome having about the same meridian (difference of about 1 degree). Does not look so very convincing for Spain and (sorry) England.

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lunlumo wrote:
Let's be honest - over the years (in whatever forum) the predictions all in all have not been very satisfying.

I have to agree with you, but let's keep messing around with it - taking an academic approach. We are not up against the Octopus Paul this time round. Besides, it is a learning experience. Astrologers are not only supposed to predict, but also to observe. And come up with ideas.
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However: the times I was successful were with charts of the (probable) end of a match - ("probable" - as in finals and semi finals extra time, 30 min. or even more... cannot be ruled out). The end of a match relocated to the capitals of the two teams.

This is a fresh idea. From the perspective of a contest, I have been wondering whether it was the opening match or the final that should be considered. In the Eurovision, where there now are two qualifying semi-finals, it is still the chart for the final that appears to provide the leading clues.
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The end of a match relocated to the capitals of the two teams.

Whether the beginning or the end of the match, I suppose a relocated chart could be considered, but it is still the match ground that is the site of the battle!

I had some success with a horary appoach on previous occasions (1986), (2006), but due to the lack of such a chart that is why I offered the chart for opening the this thread as such a 'groundbreaking moment'. Mars on the MC is lord of both Asc. and the 5th. Mars could do well, being Germany and others, or there could be the emphasis on Virgo, which i.e. is Croatia. Although I was listening in on the match between Norway and Croatia on Saturday and noticed with interest that one of the key-figures on the Croatian team originated from Brazil, ruled by Virgo!

At Betfair it is possible to back Spain as the outright winner at the odds of 3,9:1. I do like the prospects for Germany and if you decide to go for one of the most favoured options of Spain/Germany in the final, this can be backed at the odds of 9:1, which is quite good in terms of risk/reward. Additionally, I am trying to pick up a stake involving Croatia as an outsider, just to have something in the bag involving Virgo. I would say my greatest vulnerability, as I consider it myself, is probably to the Netherlands. They beat Northern Ireland 6-0 on Saturday. The Netherlands are ruled by Cancer and this is the location of the Moon in the thread chart that I am considering as if it were a horary. Confused
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lunlumo wrote;

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The end of a match relocated to the capitals of the two teams.
This suprisingly often leads to good results.


Yes. I recall you mentioning this method during the Skyscript thread on the last World cup. As you state it did seem to be very reflective of the result . It certainly seemed effective in all the matches I checked out. The only problem being as you indicate the actual finish time if there is excessive injury time or if extra time is involved. Confused

Andrew wrote:
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This is a fresh idea. From the perspective of a contest, I have been wondering whether it was the opening match or the final that should be considered. In the Eurovision, where there now are two qualifying semi-finals, it is still the chart for the final that appears to provide the leading clues.


Well I bow down to your knowledge on predicting Eurovision..its second to none! Your right if we look at Euro 2012 as a contest overall. However, it boils down to a series of individual matches between two teams/countries not 26 nations competing against each other. Looking at what is happening in the times for the two relocated capitals therefore seem valid in this instance.

It would be a lot of work but i wonder how Lunlumo's method would fair for Eurovision? I dont have the time to research this but it seems intriguing.

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In comment to Mark and Lunlumo's recent posts:

I am wondering whether the horary approach shows the nation more specifically, and the fixture shows what is topical. I.e. the chart for the final of the Eurovision may describe the song and the lyrics more than the nation. Maybe the fixture of a football match decribes the quality of the moment in a similar fashion. I m not sure whether the chart for the final will reveal which teams are playing, if so then maybe only partially... Confused
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