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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like Volguine was quite correct. Hecate was the dark moon goddess linked to the dark or new moon. Neo-pagans today seem to be very aware of this:

http://www.hecate.awebspider.com/darkmoonmagic.htm

Wikipedia on the goddess Hecate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate

She is linked to crossroads, night, death, ghosts and witches which would fit the dark of the new Moon.

Volguine links the new moon in nativities to all kinds of tragedy, misfortune or pathology. In particular he cites early deaths, accident victms, murder victims, murderers, mentally ill, sexual deviants etc. You get the picture!

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Mark.

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I started a reply over 24 hours ago and then set it aside. Here it is. The New Moon was what grabbed my attention first:

What's interesting is the dark of the New Moon. The Sun/Moon conjunction is in the 4th house, the midnight house. There's some imagery of the dark and hidden here. Of course, the same Sun/Moon 4th house conjunction would have different imagery and energy behind it in Aries than it does in Pisces, so obviously the signs do play a part. [I had started out with a comment on not giving too much importance to the signs, in reference to the recent Aquarius topic.]

The 4th house is the house of the home, father, basements, and buried things. The AstroDatabank note says “Gacy had confessed to burying most of his 33 victims under his house, with four dumped in the river . . .” and . . . “ . . . he was the son of a machinist, a drunk who beat his wife and terrorized their three kids.” Yes, that angular Mars is going to be a major player and it is applying conjunct Jupiter, (traditional) ruler of the 4th house. Jupiter is also the Lord of the Asc so it will be very descriptive of the chart native. [What I had in mind was the Mars/Jupiter combination.]
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
Seems like Volguine was quite correct. Hecate was the dark moon goddess linked to the dark or new moon. Neo-pagans today seem to be very aware of this:

http://www.hecate.awebspider.com/darkmoonmagic.htm

Mark

I read in Hand`s WShouses that New Moon implies Fortune and Spirit in same sign. In-fame?
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorge wrote:
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I read in Hand`s WShouses that New Moon implies Fortune and Spirit in same sign.


Hi Jorge,

Since the lot of Fortune and Spirit are calculated from the position of the luminaries and projected from the Ascendant the lots appear in the same positions according to the lunation cycle.

New Moon= both lots in proximity to ASC
Full Moon= both lots in proximity to DESC
Quarter Moons= lots opposite each other in proximity to 10th & 4th houses

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:

I suspect that is because you have subtlety converted me to Ptolemy!


..or you to Hellenistic astrology Smile


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Consistent with medieval astrology Volguine suggests the 8.5 degrees before the Sun are the most malefic for the Moon ( corresponding to the 28th house). As you have probably deduced Volguine’s lunar houses are not equal in size abnd correspond to the light of the moon.


even if it is a not a traditional thread we can find something older.

If the Moon is under the Sun'rays and its light is destroyed and it is not seen, then it's corrupted but it is beneficial for one who desires theft or treachery or something which is kept secret...

Dorotheus, Carmen astrologicum (Pingree translation)

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Margherita wrote:

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If the Moon is under the Sun'rays and its light is destroyed and it is not seen, then it's corrupted but it is beneficial for one who desires theft or treachery or something which is kept secret...
Dorotheus, Carmen astrologicum (Pingree translation)


Nice find.

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

varuna2 wrote:
Amavasya tithi (new moon) is a shrapa which is supposed to be remedied through rituals by the parents at the birth.

Malefics in the angles is called sarpa yoga (serpent configuration) and it is also a shrapa (curse).

Notice the rakshasa (demonic) nakshatras of the planets in this one's chart, in the angles. The Sun and Moon are in Pisces in sidereal as well, however notice the characteristics of the nakshatras the cursed luminaries are placed in. This one also has Scorpio rising with the ruler taking part in the sarpa yoga on the 1st/7th axis as well as the nodes in the 4th of mind and the new moon in the 5th.


http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Charles_Manson

So CharlesManson is a murderer because Moon and Saturn are in Capricorn in an angle?

http://www.astrotheme.fr/astrologie/Peter_Sutcliffe

And what about Sutcliffe the Yorkshire ripper
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.astrology-and-science.com/a-murd2.htm a good example of how astrologers misjudged Gacys chart.They ignored angular planets. What beats me is that people identified with Marcel Petiot s chart. The guy had Scorpio rising and Mars conjunct Pluto in 8. WSH would show it more clearly with Mars in 8 and Saturn out of sect http://www.astrotheme.fr/astrologie/Marcel_Petiot

as an add up would you be fooled by this?

http://www.astrology-and-science.com/d-effe2.htm
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the reason we have to use statistic or scientific approach is to avoid being misled. Please read 5.3 of this interview http://www.astrozero.co.uk/astroscience/phillintv.pdf

see also 6.5 on analogy
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've removed a number of posts that followed on from this point. Apologies to those affected but I'm sure that anyone who commented in response will understand that some of the comments made by one poster (whose account has now been closed) were unacceptable.
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The red variable scheat has got a nasty reputation.
Sun conjunct

John Gacy
Eichmann
Joseph Mengele

Other red variables like Mira(omicron cetus) are quite deadly.

Jim
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