skyscript.co.uk
   

home articles forum events
glossary horary quiz consultations links more

Read this before using the forum
Register
FAQ
Search
View memberlist
View/edit your user profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
Recent additions:
Godfather of Modernity: The Alan Leo Legacy Vol. One - Early Astrological Journals 1890-1912, compiled by Philip M Graves
Reviewed by Deborah Houlding
Lilly's Considerations
compiled by D. Houlding
Book II of Carmen Astrologicum by Dorotheus
translated by David Pingree
Compiled by Deborah Houlding
The Babylonian Astrolabe: the Calendar of Creation, by Rumen K. Kolev
Reviewed by Gill Zukovskis

Skyscript Astrology Forum

Lily on talent for languages

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Nativities & General Astrology
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
jorge



Joined: 13 Mar 2012
Posts: 124

Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 11:02 am    Post subject: Lily on talent for languages Reply with quote

Hi
I just read that William Lily claimed Mercury in Aquarius gives a talent for foreign languages,rather than the traditional version of Mercury in Gemini or in Sagitarius. Have you any idea why he believed that?

thanks
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PFN



Joined: 28 Dec 2008
Posts: 393
Location: Ouro Preto, Brasil

Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not think one possibility excludes the other, after all, astrological knowledge stacks up most of the time.

Mercury in Aquarius is a very well positioned Mercury, and so is Mercury in Gemini and Virgo. A good Mercury will give ability to Mercurial things being done...

I do not know about Sagitarius, but I've seen good mathematicians with Mercury in Sagitarius, still, I'd look at the dispositor.
_________________
Paulo Felipe Noronha
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Serafin 5



Joined: 08 Mar 2012
Posts: 4
Location: california high desert

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: mercury in aquarius talent w/languages Reply with quote

Buenos Dias!

I think there might be something to that as languages have come shockingly easy to me my whole life and my mercury is in aquarius 14deg in the 3rd house. Mercury is sext Venus and Jupiter, square Neptune and Asc and opp Mc. I am half Nicaraguensa and am fluent in Spanish but didnt learn as a small child; I learned as a 12 1/2 yr old. I know a little Farsi, Hebrew, French, and 'I love you' in Russian!

Amando mucho el astrologia! Buena suerte a todos .....
Serafin5
_________________
(February 19, 1964 11:30pm PST Los Angeles, CA)

Evil thrives where good men do nothing.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
###



Joined: 08 Jul 2004
Posts: 1381

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may be allowed to talk about myself: Confused

It's hard to believe in the stereotypes commonly assigned to Mercury and its sign placements. I have Mercury combust in Cancer. That doesn't sound particularly promising, but at one point all my university classes involved learning or speaking only in French, Spanish, German and Russian. The year before that I 'mastered' Italian and could easily chatter away in it. I was always among the top students in the class, often the top student. Then I walked away from it all. I got thoroughly sick of the incessant need for plain old memorization. Everything in the world has a name, a word. Cramming the mind with such stuff leads to overload - and frustration when the word hides from you.

I think Mercury's sign placement is less important than is commonly thought. Planetary contacts are highly important. I do think that my tight Moon-Mercury-Mars configuration shows my verbal abilities. Maybe my combust Mercury shows the burn-out? I had never thought of that before. So there was a good reason to talk about myself after all --- new insight into Mercury combust. (Of course, there's always the thrill of the stage.)

You never know where these posts will take you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Nixx



Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Posts: 295

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mercury in Cancer is seen as a strong, albeit not necessarily comfortable or easy, Mercury by the Psychological School. ''Holds information that keeps the person safe''

Good memory, Proust for example - 'Time lost and time regained'.

Also Combust, and look what he produced.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
###



Joined: 08 Jul 2004
Posts: 1381

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nixx wrote:
Mercury in Cancer is seen as a strong, albeit not necessarily comfortable or easy, Mercury by the Psychological School. ''Holds information that keeps the person safe''

Good memory, Proust for example - 'Time lost and time regained'.

Also Combust, and look what he produced.



''Holds information that keeps the person safe''. . . Confused I don't understand that. As I see it, being a cardinal sign Cancer gives Mercury an edge and fidgety feet. That pretty much contradicts the quote. I'll have to think about it. Maybe I've been missing something. BUT - maybe I'm speaking from my personal experience. The Moon-Mercury-Mars configuration again. That would make for a very active and fidgety Mercury. I hadn't realized how mentally twitchy I am.


Quote:
Good memory, Proust for example - 'Time lost and time regained'.

Also Combust, and look what he produced.

I've probably been eating the wrong kind of cookies. Chocolate chip doesn't seem to work.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Nixx



Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Posts: 295

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Kirk"]
Nixx wrote:


''Holds information that keeps the person safe''. . . Confused I don't understand that. As I see it, being a cardinal sign Cancer gives Mercury an edge and fidgety feet.



Money for example. Usually provides food, water, clothing, shelter, etc and it is useful to know how much money you have in the bank at times, for which you need a functioning memory. (Unless you have your balance on the computer screen 24/7).

Where the cardinal comes in is getting of your arse and actively seeking this information in the first place and then ensuring it stays there through exposure or practice. (The Psychological idea abpout Cardinal Mercury's is if you don't use the information you forget it)

Something like this, albiet brief and simplistic.

It depends on the chart how the dynamics play out. If the Sun is in Cancer then it may be more appreciative as 'safety' is a big drive anyway, if in Gemini then it may be a blessing as Gemini pays less attention to the Mundane sphere, in Leo could be usefull when you go out on a bender and need some cash, etc.

Not sure about your 'twitchy mind', would need to see the chart but even then nothing coherent may appear in my own mirror neurons or sensorimotor representations, (thoughts apear to wander about and can be hard to locate in the cortex). Mars will presumably keep it on edge and keep the grey matter ticking over.

Cancer Moon is a curio, in my experience people seem to be constantly worrying about their needs being met. One of those rulerships that is not necessarily a plus.

BTW thanks for your review of the Campion book, most impressive.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lakewind



Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 103
Location: Buffalo area, New York State

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting views Nixx and,despite my limited knowledge, I find them very reasonable. My son in law grew up speaking French at home and school, but in the midst of officially English speaking Manhatten. At L'Ecole, he learned Italian and Spanish. As an adult, after college, he taught himself a working knowlege of Japanese and Korean although his interest has lapsed somewhat. Here's the interesting thing: he was the family underachiever only earning a degree in sociology. When he found himself with a family, he sat down and taught himself the language of computers, and now helps to operate computers systems which regulate emissions for the Queens NY power plant. Now, I don't recall the exact position or sign of his Mercury but I do recall he has a terrific grand trine in air.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Nixx



Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Posts: 295

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an astrology forum so none of us ''know'' anything we just have a range of, at times, odd ideas.

In this schema Air, as long as it is the personal planets, is very useful if the Mercury is weak. Assuming the person wants their thinking and language to be clearer or more rational that is. This is usually seen as a plus nowadays. For skills with other, and your own, languages we would look initially at the 3rd house, partly because this corresponds to the stage of life when the child starts to talk and think with words. My brother has the Sun and the Wife the Moon in the 3rd and both have sophisticated interests in language and remarkable abilities to learn others. I'm hopeless, and mine is empty.

Thanks for the tickle over ''only a degree in Sociology'', isn't this more useful and valuable than a few doctorates in other subjects. You know the joke about the Indian Mother not realising her son getting a PhD in medicine meant she had given birth to a psychopath .?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lakewind



Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 103
Location: Buffalo area, New York State

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are most kind and funny, too. My 3rd contains Jupiter in Scorpio and Chiron which I know most posters here don't deal with. I'm an obsessive researcher, picked up languages very easily (even with a combust, retro Mercury in Cancer), but have suffered all my life from the Chironic "wound" of not ever being heard clearly by my nearest and dearest, so to speak. As an employer, I must struggle to make my directions understood, even when written out clearly and explained verbally. There is clearly some kind of problem with lack of reception here. Of course, some will say it is a problem with expression from the 3rd house, and I won't bother with the argument. I know I am well educated and determined enough to communicate simple directions, especially in writing. There is a definite, repetitive block from this house. Jupiter is squared from the 12th in Leo, by both Saturn and Pluto. My PUBLIC speaking, however, is usually well understood. Weird. I have a permanently dislocated right shoulder and eye problems, so I apologize for any typos etc. in my post. Best wishes.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Nixx



Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Posts: 295

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes my Horoscope says should be very kind, quick witted and verging on the illiterate. I'm resolved to the fact the Nobel Prize for Literature is destined elsewhere.

Some of the old fellows regard combust and retro as unfortunate from memory. In the Psychological schema combust symbolises a closer relationship between the way you think and communicate (Mercury) and the core identity or purpose (Sun). So if the Sun is a part of you which you struggle to accept or express then it may be a more familiar cognitive tool kit may be more problematic. Another possible disadvanatge is the more similarity there is on the chart the more your capacity to empathise with those with other dynamics is limited.

Retrograde is delineated as the introversion of the energy of the planet, in itself neither a plus or a minus. Less ideal for Mars as it's job is to go after what the Sun requires, it needs to be more proactive than reactive.

Chiron in the 3rd more literally could suggest a lack of support from siblings. Not sure about work colleagues but I suppose those you see everyday - short jourenys - could come into it/ Not much you can do about Chiron. I like to think it's purpose is to remind us life is a nasty, unpleasant, futile business and death is a merciful release. Very Happy

More seriously an internet forum is not the place to discuss people's lives in depth. These blocks or patterns tend to be about childhood experiences so we would need to explore the early years. Mercury in Cancer is not that assertive. How about taking a megaphone to work ?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
###



Joined: 08 Jul 2004
Posts: 1381

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nixx wrote:


. . .

BTW thanks for your review of the Campion book, most impressive.


Wrong Kirk - But it was nice of you to publicly compliment the reviewer. I doubt whether I could remember well enough what I read to write a book review.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lakewind



Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 103
Location: Buffalo area, New York State

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nixx, I think what you said about the sun and combustion is similar to what I think I think when the sun and moon are conjunct, you're likely to get an individual who is basically the "what you see is what you get" type. I mean the sun and the moon are two such important components which,make up the core of person. The sun is the basic personality, and the moon the emotional response, the genetic inheritence, and so on and so on. I know we are off topic and hope we are not irritating Jorge. I have met many people with sun and moon combinations which are squared, and I find their emotional responses are often a surprise to all, including them. They don't seem so intouch with their feeling selves, or able to access it easily.
Yes you are right about not giving out one's intimate life details. I posted my natal chart and asked where all the trauma in my life was in chart, and did give out details. Most people were tactful and tried to give an honest response, but it was probably the repetitive mistake of my life popping up again-being too open and too honest without thinking about how human nature really is. I wouldn't do it again although I did learn a lot. Good night. I hope we get to discuss things on other threads.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Nixx



Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Posts: 295

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kirk wrote:
Nixx wrote:


. . .

BTW thanks for your review of the Campion book, most impressive.


Wrong Kirk - But it was nice of you to publicly compliment the reviewer. I doubt whether I could remember well enough what I read to write a book review.


More Kirk's around than one might expect. I'm like you with the old memory cells these days so I may compliment you again on it in a few years.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Clinton Soule



Joined: 14 Sep 2008
Posts: 471
Location: Reno, Nevada

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorge said:

Quote:
I just read that William Lily claimed Mercury in Aquarius gives a talent for foreign languages,rather than the traditional version of Mercury in Gemini or in Sagitarius. Have you any idea why he believed that?


It's easy to comprehend that as Mercury is lord of Gemini how the native may be blessed with communication skills. Or Mercury in Sag as Traditionally as the travel or foreign countrys house and it's tie to other languages.

But Lilly with his Mercury in stubborn Tau Rx, and separating from a cjt. to Uranus did a lot of reading and reflection from so many languages and books he had translated that unless we read of walk through all of the books he did it's difficult to know exactly where he got some of his data. For like many current astrologers who are writting books Lilly committed 'academic dishonesty' by Not citing his sources as in a bibliography and utilizing footnotes whereby the student could find where he got his ideas. Perhaps at the university in his time footnotes and an extensive bibliography weren't encouraged.

But without having read all that Lilly had, just guessing and making an hypothesis, I'd say since Aquarius rules other cultures and has socialogy under it's house by correlation; that has to be a link to the utopian Mercury ability with languages of other cultures.

Clinton Garrett Soule

Wise men know how little they know

http://www.newsreview.com/reno/star-reader/content?oid=22904
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Nativities & General Astrology All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
. Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

       
Contact Deborah Houlding  | terms and conditions  
All rights on all text and images reserved. Reproduction by any means is not permitted without the express
agreement of Deborah Houlding or in the case of articles by guest astrologers, the copyright owner indictated