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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in my own research, have found the mean node works and the true node does not. see A Rectification Manual, Chapter 12 for examples.

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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin Gansten's book on primary directions is probably considered the best one out there right now, so although I'm sure people have their own approaches that differ, I would still suggest getting this book to get to grips with primary directions and get a good gist of what it is and is not.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Primary-Directions-Astrologys-Master-Technique/dp/1902405390/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335352747&sr=8-1

I'm pretty sure I'm allowed recommend the book, despite Martin being a moderator on one of these forums. It isn't some kind of plug it's just what I consider to be a really useful source for primary directions. It's how I learned to understand primary directions myself so that's the only reason I recommend it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Paul,

Re: "It isn't some kind of plug..."

A "plug" is "a favorable public mention of a commercial product, business, or performance..."

I am just curious as to how the hawking of Martin's book is not a plug. (in your opinion) It certainly fits the definition.

I don't want to argue the point, it is only that when I read the comment about Martin's book and then you mentioned that it wasn't a plug, it reminded me of a documentary I once watched where some inmate had said, "I'm not a murderer, I've only killed one person."

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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atlantean wrote:
Hello Paul,

Re: "It isn't some kind of plug..."

A "plug" is "a favorable public mention of a commercial product, business, or performance..."

I am just curious as to how the hawking of Martin's book is not a plug. (in your opinion) It certainly fits the definition.

I don't want to argue the point, it is only that when I read the comment about Martin's book and then you mentioned that it wasn't a plug, it reminded me of a documentary I once watched where some inmate had said, "I'm not a murderer, I've only killed one person."

Peace

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I normally consider a plug to be something that someone does that in some way benefits themselves. I don't benefit from Martin Gansten's book. I guess this is similar to when you mentioned and posted an image of Noel Tyl's book. It doesn't serve you yourself in any way and the whole purpose of the post is to provide a source that is useful to learn from.

I think I'm right in saying that most people would consider that book to be the book on primary directions right now. Which isn't to say it's a perfect book and that everyone agrees with everything that's written in it of course. But on the subject of learning about primary directions, and as Deb mentions it herself in the article that was linked to, it seems sensible to stop avoiding the elephant in the room.

Incidentally the PDF Deb had on directions goes on to link to a review of the book where it's praised and applauded. I think in terms of purchasing something to learn more about primary directions, I can't think of another 'recent' book that would serve.

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PS I know that in the book Martin refutes the claims of those who suggest that a particular house system works best with Primary Direction, a refutation that you would no doubt disagree with. I mentioned the book not to get into any debates about which particular preferences that different people who use primary directions find more appropriate, merely to the 'newbie' who is trying to learn what the hell a Naibod key is the in the first place, Martin's book goes through it all for someone ignorant of primary directions, as I myself was when I opened it up on page one. Whilst I'm certainly no expert, having read the book I certainly came away feeling I understood the gist of it. Considering how relatively cheap it is (I for one have certainly paid a lot more money for a lot less astrological quality in the past) it seems a no brainer to me to buy/borrow/steal! that book and learn what you can from it.

After that, like with all things, we should all make up our own minds about the opinions Martin has about those other issues. The gold isn't in Martin's personal considerations, but in the ability to convey in as simple a manner as possible just what primary directions actually are and how to calculate them, as well as some historical context for their use.

If you know of another book you'd recommend though then I'm sure many others would be interested in it too, I know I would be.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know it's perfectly all right to make favourable mention of a book one has found helpful, especially if it is relevant to the topic and forum of the discussion, even if the book in question happens to be authored by a moderator. Smile I'm glad you like the book, Paul. There are one or two things I should like to improve on (if I ever get the free time), but overall it seems to work for most people I hear from.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Paul

I have no problem with you plugging the book. To be honest, I expect Martin's book to be plugged here. I don't think such a plug violates any rules...and if it did, probably the rules are too tight.

That being said, it is still a plug. One doesn't have to personally benefit for it to be a plug.

If I say "Alexander Marr's book Prediction - Using Common and Prenatal Cycles is a great book, full of many important concepts and techniques", it is still a plug, whether I make money off of it or whether it's just a comment from a "fan."

Re: "I guess this is similar to when you mentioned and posted an image of Noel Tyl's book. It doesn't serve you yourself in any way and the whole purpose of the post is to provide a source that is useful to learn from."

Yes, you are totally correct, I feel. I certainly consider myself guilty of plugging the book in that instance and yet, it should be obvious I make no money off of it.

Re: "I think I'm right in saying that most people would consider that book to be the book on primary directions right now."

I would agree. To me, it's benefit is in that it might get people interested in Primary Directions, where otherwise they wouldn't. I don't think it presents the more modern discoveries relating to Primary Directions in enough detail, HOWEVER, its title implies that it is more a historical work and on that grounds, it does what it suggests. Bringing Primary Directions fully up to date will certainly require another work, probably from another author.

Re: Primary Directions

Thank you for the personal details regarding your experience and interest, as well as experience with Martin's book. It has done what you wanted from the book, so it was no doubt a good buy.

I think Primary Directions are amazing in that, contrasted with so very many of the dynamic systems in Astrology, that they are based on the rotation of the Earth as opposed to its revolution around the Sun. A very direct and drastic "departure" from transits, secondaries, solar returns, lunar returns, solar arcs, etc.

To me, it's a great technique... rectifications would be so very much more difficult and time consuming without them!

Peace

James

P.S. As for hawking the book here, I really have no problem with it. Someone can offer Morin bobble-head PEZ dispensers here and I wouldn't have a problem with that either. It is somewhat the nature of the internet that things are offered for sale most everywhere...
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atlantean wrote:

That being said, it is still a plug. One doesn't have to personally benefit for it to be a plug.


I guess I always saw it slightly differently. I wonder then what the difference is between a plug and a recommendation. Seems to be blurring the lines between them.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Paul,

Re: "I wonder then what the difference is between a plug and a recommendation."

1) Whether or not it is public. (Plug seems to imply always public... recommendation you could make to a friend while sitting on his couch.)

2) How many letters in the word. Wink

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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
Martin Gansten's book on primary directions is probably considered the best one out there right now, so although I'm sure people have their own approaches that differ, I would still suggest getting this book to get to grips with primary directions and get a good gist of what it is and is not.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Primary-Directions-Astrologys-Master-Technique/dp/1902405390/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335352747&sr=8-1

I'm pretty sure I'm allowed recommend the book, despite Martin being a moderator on one of these forums. It isn't some kind of plug it's just what I consider to be a really useful source for primary directions. It's how I learned to understand primary directions myself so that's the only reason I recommend it.


Personally, I prefer Rumen Kolev's booklets Primary Directions I & II. That is not to "dis" Martin's book, which is a fine exposition of traditional primaries from which I learned a great deal. But it disses everything that has happened in primaries from the point where Placido entered the fray, while I happen to think there have been improvements, particularly in computational methods.

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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello varuna2

Re: "...are there other methods of rectification which someone has found to be useful to use in combination with the Primary Directions?"

I use Topocentric Primary Directions to get the possible birthtimes and then use Secondaries, the Progressed Sidereal Solar Return, Lunar Cycles, and sometimes Age Harmonics in order to determine which time is the correct one.

As for narrowing down the time of birth (in order to reduce search range), please search out the article about Thomas Jefferson written by Isaac Starkman for Considerations. It is a great article with a valuable technique for when you only know the day (for example) and need to narrow it down to a much smaller range of time in which to search.

You can find it here, http://issuu.com/considerations/docs/14-4

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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Ed,

Re: Primary Directions and "...I happen to think there have been improvements."

Indubitably so.

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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

varuna2 wrote:

The only methods I am aware of are: omens, horary, primary directions, and animodar.

The animodar can be found here:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html


Thanks for the link about the animodar. I was aware of this technique but never knew it had a name!

I'm curious how you've used horary to rectify a birth chart though. How does that work?
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