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Quotidian and PSSR Charts

 
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Mark
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:27 pm    Post subject: Quotidian and PSSR Charts Reply with quote

Hello All,

I have a very basic query about these kinds of charts. I wonder if one of our sidereal members would be kind enough to explain in plain English what these kind of charts are? I confess I am a bit fuzzy like many tropicalists what these techniques actually involve.

If I understand correctly the Progressed Sidereal Solar Return chart (PSSR) as developed by Cyril Fagan involves progressing the radix SR chart. From what i have read Fagan’s PSSR chart progresses the chart angles by about 1.25 degrees per day and utilizes the Solar Return planets which it progresses on a day-for-a-year or “secondary progression” basis. Is this right?

Then we come to so called Quotidian daily charts. These are much discussed in sidereal circles but I haven't seen a basic description of what is going on for the uninitiated like myself. Could someone out there explain?

Thanks!

Mark
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Mark,

Steve and Bob (Unique Astrology) have been getting great mileage out of various quotidian methods. Either can likely explain the main ideas of the technique...

As for PSSR, your definition seems right... basically progressed solar returns with precession expunged. I use the PSSR all the time...mainly as a corroboration for rectifications.

From my life:

Mother dies, Mars conjunct Moon (0° 1' orb)

Son born, Mars conjunct Node (0° 2' orb)

Met future Wife during trip to Germany, Jupiter conjunct Descendant (0° 1' orb)

Married, Moon conjunct Sun, (0° 2' orb)

Move overseas, Node trine Jupiter, (0° 0' orb)

Ex-Wife dies, SNode inconjunct 8th, (0° 1' orb)

By the way, the (free) program, Astro, does PSSR's (as well as Topocentric Primary Directions). You can find it on my website. To use on a newer computer, you'll need a "Dos-wrapper", such as DosBox.

Peace

James
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello James,

Thanks. I am just looking for a really basic explanation of the techniques.

So what exactly are quotidian charts? Its typical of astrologers to give you chart examples. However, I am starting from from the conceptual step before that. What exactly are we doing in the quotidian chart? I know the word quotidian comes from the Latin for daily. So are these connected to what are called 'diurnals' in tropical astrology? The only other use of the term quotidian I am familiar with is related to the alternative method of calculating secondary progressed angles. Quotidian SP house cusps are based on the literal day for a year rather than the conventional method based on primary directions. Hence the house cusps move far faster than in conventional SP charts. However, is the sidereal use of the term something else again? If so what exactly?

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: PSSR and Quotidian charts Reply with quote

PSSR Charts are daily charts based on the previous Solar Return (Sidereal or precession-corrected Tropical). The daily chart angles are progressed from the prior S/R at a rate which is close to 1.25 degrees per day (as a flat rate progression) and overlaid with the Equation of Time factor for the S/R date and chosen/event date. The actual progression can be based on using Sidereal Time for successive Solar Returns (about 6 hours) plus 24 hours --- and then dividing the 30 hours or so result by 365.25 days to get a daily progression rate. Similarly, one can take the difference between two successive Solar Return MC positions (about 90 degrees) and add 360 degrees, then dividing by 365.25 to get the daily progression rate. In both methods an adjustment is made for the Equation of Time from the Solar Return date to any chosen/event date.

This form of charting presents a dual cycle in which the Sun advances 360 degrees over the course of a year while the MC advances some 450 degrees over that same period. This MC-Solar Cycle provides the daily charts with quickly moving angles which appear to "time" events when natal, solar and/or transiting angles are contacted. Siderealists also use the Progressed S/R Moon on a day-for-a-year basis.

Quotidian charts are also based on the Solar Return but the angles, the MC angle specifically, are advanced at the same rate as the Sun is advanced on a daily basis. The angles and the Sun are in lock step. At the end of the year on the 364th day, the progressed MC is one degree short of its previous S/R position. On the 365th day, the MC jumps some 90 degrees forward to the following Solar Return MC position. This is a discontinuous cycle and seems to me to be conceptually flawed. However, it does work.

My practice with these charts, the PSSR and the Quotidian differs from most Siderealists. In PSSR charts I find great interpretive value with angles being contacted by PSSR angles, as well as with certain midpoint structures that work well with these charts.

In Quotidian charts I have really deviated from standard Sidereal practices. Based on the Sun-to-MC arc angle, I look for any combination of natal, solar or daily transiting planets that have this same angle. The use of EQUAL ANGLES in these charts can yield rich and phenomenal results. I have written and given an example of this approach in the August 2011 issue of ISAR's International Astrologer journal using charts concerning Alan Turing's tragic end of life and recent memorization.

An earlier issue, perhaps Dec. of 2010, concerned the lost burial of Copernicus and his recent location and honoring focused on PSSRs and the manner in which I use them.

I work with precession corrected Tropical Zodiac charting whenever the use of natal charts and charts cast for years later are involved. I find that the correction improves the timing greatly. Tropical astrologers using a natal chart and a progressed or directed chart have no need to consider precession correction because the time differences (days and weeks) are small even though the symbolic time spans are large.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Mark

Re: "Thanks. I am just looking for a really basic explanation of the techniques."

Sorry. In that case, consider my examples above as inspiration to delve further. Wink

Dave is right, especially about the PSSR. At events, one finds normally correct symbolism within just scant minutes of arc, establishing the angles/cusps tightly. (topocentric matches these angles)

Have fun, it's a very useful technique.

James
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