Sun conjunct moon in solar return

san · Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 11

Solar return Moon in Capricorn conjunct Sun and Mercury in solar return 4th house.

I read in a old astrology book that this aspect could predict the death of the one of the parents. Did anyone expirience the year like this? I am really worry and a little bit affraid of loosing them Sad

What does it mean for a year with this conjunction?
Sun is the lord of 11th solar house and 4th natal house. Moon is lord of 10th solar house and 2&3 natal house.

If 10-4th house represent parents..then..? Shocked

Tom · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject:

While I do think death can be seen with certain predictive methods, this isn't one of them. Way back when I was taught the so called "rule of three: " If you see something in a chart once make note of it, if you see the same thing another way, think it, and if you see it a third time another way, say it." I doubt this has much validity, but it does teach caution.

Aphorisms have value, but they should all come with a warning label that adds the words "all other things being equal," to the end of each one. All other things are rarely if ever equal, so the aphorism should be taken as an indication or a red flag, not an absolute certainty.

Ile · Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 129

Hi SAN,

Can you please give the reference of the thing that Sun and Moon conjunct in Solar Return brings death to one of the parents?
I have it too this year so it would be very good to know the source of the saying and how much believable is.

I agree with the point Tom made. I also use the 3 indicators 'rule'.

Tom · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject:

I suppose what follows can be of questionable taste, but it is astrology so here goes: If anyone is interested in predicting death the absolute best place to learn how to do it is John Worsdale's Celestial Philosophy.

Worsdale used a variety of techniques to show a piling up of testimonies (similar to the idea behind the 3 indications rule). They had to occur close together, make astrological sense, and of course be nasty. Worsdale is a bit sadistic about the whole thing, but the astrology is first rate. Reproductions of the book can be found online. Here's one place:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_b/?field-publisher=Kessinger+Publishing&search-alias=stripbooks&unfiltered=1&tag=kessingerpubl-20&tag_value=kessingerpubl-20&field-keywords=Celestial+Philosophy&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.x=54&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.y=15

james_m · Joined: 05 Dec 2011 Posts: 924 Location: vancouver island

free copy of the book tom mentions - 4th link down
https://docs.google.com/#folders/0B2i5q4X9yT_uYjE4NDVjYmYtNTRmMC00MDM5LWEzMTQtYjJjMGU5MDRmNmRl

Ile · Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 129

Thanks James Smile

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Mark · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject:

Tom wrote:

Tom · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject:

I like Worsdale's system of looking for testimonies that all occur about the same time and they're all nasty. Yes he used primary directions to great effect but he combined them with solar returns, secondary progressions, and transits. He also used hyleg.

Here are some of his remarks concerning the drowning death of one Joseph Kent, born June 6 1817, 11:30 PM probably Local Apparent time. Use Lincoln, UK. You should get an ASC of about 8 Aquarius 27.

First he gives an extensive table of celestial events. The child died at 7 years 1 month and 6 days of age. In the table between 6 years 10 months and 7 years 0 months he lists (Moon is hyleg):

Sun to the sextile of Mars in mundo, converse directions
Moon to the parallel of Mars in Zodiac (primary direction in zodiac)
Moon to the body of Saturn in zodiac converse motion
Sun to the quintile of Mars in the Zodiac

Then he says (and this is just partial:

Martin Gansten · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject:

Tom · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject:

Martin Gansten · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:44 am Post subject:

james_m · Joined: 05 Dec 2011 Posts: 924 Location: vancouver island

martin, thanks for the informative post.

my understanding is that ‘a synodic month for a year’ is what minor progressions are in solar fire astro program.. r.c. davison talks about them in his book 'the technique of prediction' as well..

Mark · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:32 am Post subject:

Martin Gansten wrote:

Martin Gansten · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject:

Stellarium · Joined: 26 May 2010 Posts: 80

New or full moons in solar return usually refer to significant life changes, for example the loss of a job, retirement, end of a period of study and also more positive changes depending on the tenor of the chart (including natal chart) and time lords, directions etc.

One should not predict death of parents or anyone based only on Solar Return.

I was bored a few months ago and googled my birthdate to see what kind of lives/careers people born on the same day as me had. The purpose of this brief study was basically to see if there were common trends based on major (tight) aspects / sign positions in operation on the day of birth. There were quite a large number of sportspeople (ice hockey players, NFL, etc) probably related to a tight Sun-Mars square. Then I came across a US soldier who had died in action in Afghanistan in 2011. The Solar Return for our birthday contained a full Moon (don't know his exact time of birth but allowing an orb of 12-13 degrees for a new Moon would make it operative for most of the day) with both lights afflicted by Mars. I did get a painful foot injury in 2011 but the significant life change for me was graduation and conclusion of my studies.

The point is that there is no 'one size fits all' delineation of a Solar Return and a lot of factors have to be considered.