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hi san,
at any rate i think a focus on the 8th house in a chart can sometimes mean a person have more intuition or psychic type ability to see around corners sometimes. if you don't like whole sign houses - that is fine! i like what they tell me and it has nothing to do with making connections in hindsight to an event. even if you don't relate to the new moon landing in whole sign house 8, the sr saturn/mars square on the midheaven axis is especially relevant. i didn't mention the obvious - saturn rules your midheaven and of course you have a lot of planets in cap and aquarius regardless of what house system that gets used. thanks again for the discussion.[/quote]

hi James,

I said that I don't like the whole house system because I do not recognise myself much in it. When I look back to my life until now I do not see much connections. For example as you already mentioned: The lord of the ascendant and the 4th house in whole hoses system Mercury + the Sun land in 8th house. I was never occupied much with "dark" side of life. Instead I moved to Holland which is 9th house thing and find the happiness outside my mother country (4th house lord = Sun) when using Placidus house system.
That's why I can't relate much with whole house system however I do believe/feel that I somehow have a strong intuition (9th house) but not really "psychic type ability" which is 8th house thing.

Thanks for your response.

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I said that I don't like the whole house system because I do not recognise myself much in it. When I look back to my life until now I do not see much connections. For example as you already mentioned: The lord of the ascendant and the 4th house in whole hoses system Mercury + the Sun land in 8th house. I was never occupied much with "dark" side of life. Instead I moved to Holland which is 9th house thing and find the happiness outside my mother country (4th house lord = Sun) when using Placidus house system.
That's why I can't relate much with whole house system however I do believe/feel that I somehow have a strong intuition (9th house) but not really "psychic type ability" which is 8th house thing.
The lord of the ascendant in the 8th does not necessarily mean one is "occupied with the dark side of life", it's often a bit more complex than that.

Life abroad can be just as easily 'explained' by lot of fortune in the 9th sign as well as by Venus, lady of lot of spirit [in Libra] in the same sign on the MC.
Moreover, there's a mutual reception (and the relationship by contra-antiscia i.e equal ascension signs) between the lord of the 9th, Saturn [in the 1st] in Gemini and the lord of the ascendant, Mercury in Capricorn. As Saturn aspects only the 9th/Aquarius, he will primarily introduce the 9th sign/house issues.

Regards,
Goran
http://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com
http://klasicnaastrologija.wordpress.com

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As it happens, I am going to have Moon conjunct Sun at my next Solar Return as well and I too have been wondering what that means.

The interesting thing about Moon conjunct Sun is that the Part of Fortune is always on the ascendant, wherever the Moon and Sun are in the chart. Seems to me that has to mean something positive.

I like Stellarium's thoughts that a new Moon in such a chart will signify life's changes. Change can be a positive thing in one's life if one takes a positive attitude about it, right? Anyhow, the ground under my life suddenly changed to quicksand recently. (There is a view that the Solar Return chart makes itself felt some months before the birthday, so that is certainly spot on.) And that being the case, I decided to try an experiment.

I remember years ago, Olivia Barclay wanted her book to be a financial success. To ensure this, she flew out to Turkey (I think) for her birthday so Jupiter would be in her second house for her solar return. So, a couple of weeks ago, I decided to see if the same stunt would work for me and I started playing around with my Solar Return chart to see where on this planet Jupiter would be on the cusp of the 2nd.

I pitched up somewhere around the Mediterranean, and seeing that the ruler of the ascendant was near the MC, I altered the latitude and longitude until I got Jupiter on the cusp of the 2nd and Mercury (asc ruler) on the MC. As luck would have it, there is dry land in the form of a Greek island, whose airport has a huge runway, right at that spot.

And, (coming back to the subject), Moon and Sun are going to be conjunct and will form an exact trine to Jupiter. Moon and Sun will be in the 10th house. Next year will most certainly be a new beginning for me in terms of my career and my "image to the world", which seems appropriate. I hope that with the POF on the ascendant, and Jupiter on the 2nd, I can turn that to my advantage, though with Sun and Moon also exactly square the ascendant, it is going to be a struggle and a lot of hard work. No surprise there.

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thanks san,

when it comes to natal astrology there are so many different ways to approach it. go with what you like.

regarding the part of fortune.. for anyone who doesn't know this - and i am sure someone can word me out on this if they want - the pof takes the geometric relationship between the sun and moon and imposes it onto the chart from the ascendant.. new moon? - pof conjunct on the ascendant. full moon? - pof conjunct the descendant. and etc. etc.. it ain't rocket science.

it gets flipped around depending on whether it is a day or night chart. in san's 'day' chart the moon is in the solar 9th house and shows up as a 9th sign to the ascendant pof.. in a night chart the relationship is still projected off the ascendant but it looks the reverse as it is now describing the distance from the moon to the sun and projecting that off the ascendant... last quarter moon phase in a night chart will show up as a square to the whole sign 4th house area. first quarter- pof shows up as a 10th whole sign house position..

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@Goran
"The lord of the ascendant in the 8th does not necessarily mean one is "occupied with the dark side of life", it's often a bit more complex than that "

Of course the Lord of ascendant in the 8th does not describe that a person is occupied only with "the dark side of life". I just gave an example.

I mean that I know myself very well to know that position of the Sun and the Mercury is in 9th house and not in 8th.

Thanks anyway.

@ James_m
"when it comes to natal astrology there are so many different ways to approach it. go with what you like."

Yes, you are right. I will only add to go with "what you like" , go with what you feel it is true for yourself.

thanks James.

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san wrote:@Goran
"The lord of the ascendant in the 8th does not necessarily mean one is "occupied with the dark side of life", it's often a bit more complex than that "

Of course the Lord of ascendant in the 8th does not describe that a person is occupied only with "the dark side of life". I just gave an example.

I mean that I know myself very well to know that position of the Sun and the Mercury is in 9th house and not in 8th.

Thanks anyway.

@ James_m
"when it comes to natal astrology there are so many different ways to approach it. go with what you like."

Yes, you are right. I will only add to go with "what you like" , go with what you feel it is true for yourself.

thanks James.
Well, your temperament, the chart almutem and the ruler(s) of manners/soul as basic building blocks of personality/character haven't been discussed so "knowing yourself very well" (only) in terms of house positions you chance to prefer/feel are true for yourself can hardly be taken as a 'proof' for anything.

Regards,
Goran
http://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com
http://klasicnaastrologija.wordpress.com