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Tara



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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:22 pm    Post subject: What house rules Facebook? Reply with quote

Which house do you think would signify Facebook in a question such as "Should I take down my Facebook profile in order to protect my privacy?" As a social media site, FB has both 3rd (media) and 11th (friends) house connotations, and I am having trouble settling on one or the other. I'm leaning towards 3rd because of the casual nature of the interactions.

Also, which house would signify privacy? The 10th is the most public ... does this make the 4th the house of privacy?

Thanks!

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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look to the first house primarily as you're talking about your safety and your 'profile'.

I don't really know about questions like these of a 'should I' nature. Should I is a bit vague. Horary isn't a substitute for decision making.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12th house since they are your secret enemies and that makes you the 2nd from them: their wealth.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

I'm agreeing with all that's been said above about the houses, and adding that receptions would be important in checking whether and to what extent your 1st house and 1st-ruler are afflicted.

For instance, according to Bonatti a planet ruling an 'enemy' or weakening house (e.g. 6th/7th/8th/12th and so on) could afflict your significator by aspect but if they also receive your significator then it's not as bad as when there is no reception.

Privacy would, to me, be things like...... anything under the earth (houses 1 to 6 inclusive). Problem is, you want your information hidden but your enemies out in the open! Things hiding beneath the sun's rays could be good or bad, depending on who/what it signifies..... could signify your anxiousness, or your hidden data, or peregrine thieves of your hidden data, depending on how it's all placed.

I'll declare a bias -- I despise Facebook and all it stands for including Mark Zuckerberg's stated views on privacy and 'social norms' Sick -- so if you post a horary on it I'll try not to comment! Smile

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Tara



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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your thoughts, folks, but my question was which house rules Facebook? Unless I missed it, no one seems to have addressed this question, except Konrad, and while I agree with you, Konrad, that Facebook can have a corrosive influence, I can't see it as a 12th house phenomenon per se.

And I'm confused by comments such as Paul's that horary shouldn't be used as a substitute for decision making, given that horary's purpose as a technique is almost exclusively to aid in decision making.

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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tara wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts, folks, but my question was which house rules Facebook? Unless I missed it, no one seems to have addressed this question, except Konrad, and while I agree with you, Konrad, that Facebook can have a corrosive influence, I can't see it as a 12th house phenomenon per se.

And I'm confused by comments such as Paul's that horary shouldn't be used as a substitute for decision making, given that horary's purpose as a technique is almost exclusively to aid in decision making.

Tara


Yeah, I was being a little facetious (though not completely). I, like Handn, am against facebook and their KGB-wet-dream activities, so would see them as a secret enemy. They do make money out of you too, by the way, so the turning works (even though I try to avoid it, in general). I would just cast the chart and see what it looks like. It usually tends to highlight important houses or aspects. If you're significator is seriously afflcited in itself or especially by another, then go from there.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Tara

I've re-read the thread and it seems to me that Paul pointed to the 1st as ruling your Facebook profile (which is what the question you floated is about), so he addressed it. Konrad suggested checking the 12th house so he addressed it (I assumed that Konrad was probably following Lilly et al in checking a chart for 'secret enemies' and suchlike, rather than proposing that the 12th signifies Facebook per se), and you suggested the 3rd and the 11th but said you were leaning towards the 3rd (which seems logical to me and fits with the traditional texts about published information), so you addressed it, and I explicitly stated that I agreed with all of the above (I'd re-looked at Lilly & Bonatti before I posted anything), so I addressed it.

You obviously didn't get quite what you wanted, which is a pity, but in my view people did try to help and didn't ignore, misread or misunderstand your request. I'm not quite sure what we've all done to deserve being spoken to 'managerially'. We're not at work, and even if we were.... you know?

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handn

PS I agree with you that horary is a good aid in making decisions. I thought/think horary would be useful in a question such as the one you floated.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all!

Maybe better questions are : why would a house signify Facebook? What would it be in relation to a querent? and How and in what manner is Facebook operating?

Just taking something and chucking it into a "house" is not thoughtful astrology, IMO.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tara:

When I read your first post, my instinctive reaction was to use the first house. A Facebook page is a presentation of who we are, or at least how we want to be perceived. Skyscript's description of the first house calls it a "focal point for the personality and manner of expression." I think that captures the function of Facebook quite well. Most of the people I know use personal pictures on their profiles, which create the sensation that the profiles are almost virtual versions of the people.

I have never had a question about a Facebook profile. If I were judging one, I'd be sure to look at the condition of the ascendant ruler. An essentially debilitated L1 could indicate that the FB profile is injurious to the querent. The sign and house placement might indicate the source or type of injury.

I have a Facebook page. I find that it has been great for staying in contact with friends at a distance; it has also been very useful for sharing information about my running club and other groups. However, I do understand the privacy concerns. I also get weary of the constantly changing settings.

Good luck with your horary.

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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tara wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts, folks, but my question was which house rules Facebook? Unless I missed it, no one seems to have addressed this question, except Konrad, and while I agree with you, Konrad, that Facebook can have a corrosive influence, I can't see it as a 12th house phenomenon per se.

And I'm confused by comments such as Paul's that horary shouldn't be used as a substitute for decision making, given that horary's purpose as a technique is almost exclusively to aid in decision making.

Tara


Actually you didn't ask which house rules facebook. You asked which house rules facebook within a narrow context - I already answered that and so did everyone else, so not sure why you feel nobody addressed that.

What I appended to that was the idea that perhaps horary is not the best tool to answer this question as it cannot replace decision making. Asking 'should I' is very vague - should you for what? There's some other question that lurks beneath it.

If it was me I'd be seeing to what planets the Moon and Lord 1 apply - are they malefic for example or ill dignified. Is the significator combust? That might describe those things which are hidden for example.

I'm sorry you didn't get the answer you were looking for.
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Handn,

I'm sorry if I came across as "managerial". It wasn't my intention. I was just trying to be clear, but I can't seem to get the right tone for this forum as it is inevitable that someone bites my head off nearly every time I use it. Apologies if I gave offence.

Paul,

There is no actual horary question. I cited a theoretical question to illustrate one which might be asked concerning Facebook, my interest being in which house Facebook would belong to in general. Of course there are many aspects to the site and so maybe it's just not possible, as GR says, to narrow it down to one house.

Thanks all of you for your very thoughtful and helpful responses.

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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my interest being in which house Facebook would belong to in general.


I would say it is 11 house matter:"In modern astrology it is said to rule the wider social circle of acquaintances and groups and those who share our aims."
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say that it depends on why you are worried about the privacy- is your concern that someone will stalk you or that someone will steal your identity and thus your money or that or do you just have strong veiws about the legality and political issues involved? Each one of them indicates a different house.

Your facebook profile itself is definitely the Ascendant and 1st house - it is you for all intents and purposes in this context. The clue being in the name 'Face' book.

As far as facebook normal use is concerned ( though in this question's context it is not relevant) , again depends on what the individual uses it for -I'd go with 3rd for those people who just have their current school mates on there -9th for those who have a a lifetime of international contacts on there and so on.

The three things I've come to the conclusion about with horary is that:
i) the key is the exact state of the questioner and their question - that leads to the exact definition of the significator of the quesited.The cookbook quesited house and/or significator ( whether traditional or 20th C) is a guide and the right one can always be worked out by picking apart the question and using the real core meanings of the houses that have existed since the first authors.

ii) Pretty much any question of real long term importance to the questioner will involve the angles ( either a relationship -7th or a decision indicating sucess or failure -10th) or the 2nd or the 6th houses.

iii) If in doubt follow the moon ( and the sun moon phase)
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goca wrote:
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my interest being in which house Facebook would belong to in general.


I would say it is 11 house matter:"In modern astrology it is said to rule the wider social circle of acquaintances and groups and those who share our aims."


Goca is correct, for all its many flaws ultimately its about friendships and belonging to groups, also its used for radical groups and meetings so must fall into 11th/Aquarian concerns.

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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe look for a connection between 11th (Facebook) and 1st (your profile) and maybe the 10th (public image/reputation). Afterall, Facebook is a social network and the "friends" and "groups" you have chosen to interact with, which fits with the 11th. Your profile is you and that is always the First, and of course, you can't get anything more public than Facebook, hence the 10th. If there is reason to doubt about continuing on with this "club/social network" then there must be some discord between these rulers.

Just a thought.
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