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Janis Valkovskis



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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Didn't you say that if a significator has not-reception with the sect light, then that is bad for that significator? The Sun is in the Moon's detriment. Plus the Sun is in not-reception with his dispositor while Saturn rules the Sun.

So your hierarchy is Asc => Sect light => Hour Lord => Lot of Fortune?


As regards the hierarchy I first consider whether the sig has any dignity on ASC, then comes the sect light, lord of hour, POF and its dispositor, other testimonies. However, any of them may be overruled by a strong angular sig. That's right that the Sun's position with respect to the sect light and his dispositor is not very promising, therefore I would expect Southport to score which was not the case.

All this testimonies should be viewed in the light whether the chart is radical or not (agreement between ASC, its lord and lord of hour), this also may affect the result.

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May be Cambridge played in their home kit (blue), I was unable to find any videos or photos. Then the clue is the sect luminary in detriment of Jupiter, Gemini.


I meant Southport whose home kit is blue, sorry for confusion. If it was the case, the clue is the sect luminary in detriment of Jupiter, Gemini.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok got it.

Southport also play in yellow and black:

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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FA Cup dominates today;

Just looking at the general significations for the 15.00hrs games, I see 4 degrees Cancer rising in London. The Moon L1 applies by trine to Saturn L7. Saturn is exalted and still in reception with Venus. Games appear to be played in the hour of Mars, so the chart is radical, although by triplicity.

I've put a few penny on a few games, picking a few favourites at large;
Barnsley - Swansea, I think Swansea at the price of 2,35:1
Milton Keynes - QPR, another away win at the price of 2,6:1
Gillingham - Stoke City, Stoke at a price of 1,6:1
Middlesbrough - Shrewsbury, Middlesbrough at 1,45:1 seems a fair price

Tottenham - Cheltenham: 1,18:1 for Spurs
Everton - Tamworth: 1,10:1 for the home win

Just for the fun of it!
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everton - Tamworth 2-0
Middlesbrough - Shrewsbury 1-0
Milton Keynes - QPR 1-1
Tottenham - Cheltenham 3-0
Gillingham - Stoke 1-3
Barnsley - Swansea 2-4

I know the astrological could have been more specific, but I am also willing to keep an eye open for generalities. Here QPR left me one goal short of a six-game combination. crying

I will say it was a fair bet all the same.
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An eventful and exciting match yesterday between favourites (for once) Man City and Man Utd. Looking at the chart beforehand I had a strong hunch that things may go for the Reds this time but as a longtime United fan - born a mere stones throw from the Old Trafford - I didn't entirely trust that my judgement would remain detached, especially as we've been through dire straits of late.

Interestingly all 3 methods would take L1 as Man City..home, favourites, and blue, which helps as I'm still undecided on what system to use Confused Something about L1 Mercury partile sq to UR suggested an upset was on the cards, Uranus having just entered the excitable 2nd degree Aries. Sure enough after a goal for the out of favour Rooney against the run of play followed by a ridiculous sending off for a perfectly fair tackle from Kompany the Reds managed to scrape to an extremely fortunate victory 3-2. Very Happy

What do you think?


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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a straightforward chart according to what I have said.

First, look whether the fave's sig agreeably to colours has any dignity on ASC (nothing less than triplicity should be considered). MC plays in light blue - so get Venus as sig. Jupiter's team would wear a deeper blue kit.
Venus has no dignity on ASC, and she herself is inconjunct ASC. This testimony alone is a bad news for the light blues.

Second, look at the sect luminary what kind of reception he has with the sigs. The Sun is in Capricorn, exaltation of Mars (MU (red kit) sig) who is himself placed in Virgo, fall of Venus. Venus has only triplicity in Capricorn which is an inferior dignity than exaltation. Venus is placed in Aquarius, in detriment of the sect luminary.

This hierachy of testimonies seem to work on a higher level of football. However, it may we overruled by some more powerful testimony, for instance angularity of the sig, or its partile opposition to POF if it is also the dispositor of POF, and others.
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janis, your colour method is interesting and I want to investigate it further, but I have problems deciding the significator with some team's colours. Could you help please? I think I understand the general ideas but some club's kits are not clear. In particular, in the English Premier League:

Aston Villa home kit is maroon (or claret?) and light blue. Does this count as mixed colours and so is Mercury?

Blackburn home kit is half white and half mid-blue. Jupiter or not?

Similarly, the Bolton home kit is mainly white with some darker blue. There is also a very prominent orange logo. I'm confused!

Fulham home kit is white with a small amount of black along with a prominent red logo. Moon, Saturn or what?

QPR home kit is blue and white, but is the blue Jupiter or light enough for Venus?

The Stoke away kit is blue and black. Jupiter or Saturn?

West Brom home kit is dark blue and white. I suspect Jupiter but not sure.

Finally, the Wigan home kit blue, how light does it have to be to be Venus rather than Jupiter. I suspect this is still Jupiter - Correct?

Many thanks for any help you can offer.

Graham
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must confess assigning sigs is a problem for me as well.

Well, for Aston Villa I use Jupiter (maroon, claret - clergymen gown)

For Blackburn not sure, I am inclined to think it's Jupiter

Bolton looks like Saturn (pretty ascetic), needs more research

Fulham is definitely Saturn (works well)

QPR - Mercury (white/with blue stripes), needs more research

WBA - looks like Saturn (pretty ascetic), needs more research

Stoke's away is Saturn (pretty dark)

Wigan- Jupiter. Venusian blue is light blue, like Manchester City's or Napoli's home kit.

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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cancer is rising with the Moon in the 4th house in Saturday's 15.00 GMT games. Moon applies to opposite Uranus. Could the underdog stand a chance in either of these games?

Liverpool - Stoke 1,45 4,35 7,50
Spurs - Wolves 1,30 5,25 11,00
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First half done:

Liverpool - Stoke 0-0
Spurs - Wolves 0-1 !! Very Happy

I think Crouch always has the potential of creating something for Stoke.
The double is worth 82,5:1.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Game over:

Liverpool - Stoke 0-0
Spurs - Wolves 1-1!

That is still quite a good pick! Not of the favourites got it!
The combination was worth 22,8:1!
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Janis ,
I am interested by your method of assigning sig by colors!
I had also tried this approach long back , but the prospect of right colors was killing me!
I now , tried your same method , but predicting First Half instead of full game , and have been pretty comfortable..

Here is a take on the Ath Bilbao vs Levante game. Jan 15th 2012 at Bilbao

Ath Bilabao wore Sunderland like jersey and Levante played their kit their red/ blue stripes kit..

The chart showed significant power for Jupiter , but placing the dark blue on Jupiter( angular house and looads of dingities!) they should have won , and I also dont know which color to place for Bilbao..

I have confusion placing the following colors, shed some light on that please.

Deep Blue (Chelsea) , Jupiter for sure?
Mixed darks( AC MILAN , Barca , etc)
Mixed darks ( INTER MILAN)
Pure white( Real Madrid)
Green kits ( Celtic , Real Betis)


I found in a couple of games , Barca resounded to Mars , for instance yesterdays game , against Betis.
question : If it is a dark red , where would you rather place , saturn or Mars?

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Santi,

Ath Bilbao in my opinion is Mars - red is the dominating colour of shirt
Levante is a Jupiter team - Jupiter. I did not draw a chart so can't answer what testimonies swung the balance in favour of Ath Bilbao.

If, for instance, Aries is rising and the Sun is received in exaltation of Mars in a day chart, then angular sig, most probably, will not suffice to counterbalance Mars's power if there is a team playing in red.

Just follow the hierarchy - 1) sig's dignities on ASC; 2) sect luminary and reception with the sig; 3) lord of hour and reception with sig; 4) POF and its dispositor reception with the sig.
This may be ougtweighed by any more powerful testimony, for instance an angular sig (orb about 5 degrees), a partile (almost partile applying) Moon's or aspect to the sig, etc. No one can put on a plate a fool - proof algorythm how to read such charts, which in fact is by far a trickier business than horary.

For Chelsea use Jupiter, Mars for Milan, Barca - Jupiter, Inter - Saturn, Real - Moon, Celtic and Real Betis - Venus (needs some more testing).

Barca had a very tough game yesterday with Virgo rising. I backed their victory with a -2,5 asian handicap. As you know, the game ended 4:2.
If the sig was Mars, they would have slain poor Betis, on account of Mars angularity and favourable reception with the lord of ASC. Then a -6.5 or even longer odds would be a good bet, regardless of Libra Moon (detriment of Mars).

For dark red I am not sure - I am trying Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, so not a definite answer here. Look's like Jupiter if there is a tint of blue.
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janis, I would be interested in your thoughts about what to do when there is a clash of testimonies. Does your hierarchy of considerations solve it?

On Saturday 21 January there are a number of matches in the English Premier League at 15:00 GMT. I'm interested in Fulham v Newcastle. Fulham is the clear favourite and I assume should be given Saturn by colour. Newcastle will probably have to wear their away kit: orange, so the Sun.

Starting with the home favourite, Saturn, and the Cancer ascendant, Saturn is in it's detriment in Cancer and so the testimony is for Newcastle. Is this decisive?

Looking at the sect light, the Sun, next. Does the fact that the Su is assigned to Newcastle have any effect? I also note that the Sun and Moon are both ruled by the same planet, Saturn. so this would indicate Fulham.

Your thoughts would be interesting.

Graham
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graham,

I would draw charts for Saturday's Premier League games at 15:00 GMT Saturday morning.

I agree with you that the chart looks tricky. Disposition of both luminaries is an argument per se, and it has never failed me if there is a team playing in an appropriate kit.

I always consider what type of dignity or debility the sig (if there is a fave) possesses on ASC. If works perfectly for big faves such as Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Milan, Napoli, Barcelona, Real and others. This seems to be a regularity. However, I always consider the sig's condition and what type of reception it has with the ruler of ASC. If the ruler of ASC is favourably received by the sig or the sig itself is strong, it seems to mitigate the negative impact of the sig being detrimented on ASC.

Considering the information you have provided, Fulham should be favoured here. Saturn is the dispositor of Sun (has power over him), Newcastle's sig.

If nevertheless Newcaslte happen to play in their home kit (black with gray stripes), then I would be inclined to think that Newcastle is Saturn and Fulham most probably would be Moon. Saturn cannot be simultaneously a sig both Fulham and Newcastle.

We will discuss the issue on Saturday.
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