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Taurus12



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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:43 pm    Post subject: Considerations before judgement Reply with quote

Was looking for information on what people in this forum practice when there are considerations before judgement in a chart?

When you see quite a few of them evident do you continue to read the chart?
Let say for example you have ascendant in late degrees, moon in late degrees and Saturn in the 7th. Would you proceed? How would you view each as affecting the outcome? (I don't have a chart with these placements, I was just using these as examples)
The only time I ever pass on reading a chart is when the planetary hour is off.
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Seiko



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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy New Year everyone!

I've said it a gazillion times on this forum but the only consideration for me is combust L1 (the Lord of the Ascendant). If the question is earnest and not to test anyone or anything, then go right ahead.

You can always find something to pass on reading the chart -- L7 afflicted (if you're not your own Querent), Mercury afflicted, Jupiter afflicted, L9 (for learned folks/astrologers) afflicted, LHr (the Lord of the Hour) afflicted, Malefics in the first or the seventh House (again, depending on who is asking the question), or the 9th House. Need more? Unless the chart is spotless, you can always find an excuse.

Even if God exists and he or she created the whole thing, God does not stop the planets in their tracks just because someone asked a stupid question. God or some planet or whatever does not mystically cloud your mind if you're asking a question at the "wrong" time. Otherwise, how can you be sure about anything at all?
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Edith



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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get a bit gun shy when Saturn is in the 7th but if I had to deal with a chart that has several major prohibitions, I'd probably lay off. Naturally that depends on the chart that presents itself, so I'd take it on a case by case situation.
The Saturn in the 7th reluctance probably has a lot to do with my own insecurity and lack of experience as a horary astrologer; if I was saddle sure I may view it differently.
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Taurus12



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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your feedback guys. I guess it's up to the individual astrologer. Some people won't read a chart if it has a late or early ascendant. I think almost all charts can be read.
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Clinton Soule



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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taurus12 said:

"When you see quite a few of them evident do you continue to read the chart?" Let say for example you have ascendant in late degrees, moon in late degrees and Saturn in the 7th. Would you proceed? How would you view each as affecting the outcome? (I don't have a chart with these placements, I was just using these as examples) The only time I ever pass on reading a chart is when the planetary hour is off."

*IF* I understand what I have studied via CA, and various conversations via Forums or other horary artists not on Forums, on this issue the following is true:

1) Lilly taught that all horary questions are answerable yet a few should not be answered as either the horary artist will not be accurate and both thier judgment will weaken the credibility of the art and the particular horary artist or it may not be ethical to answer such questions.

I.E. Let's say a querant would ask 'if he did a certain crime would the individual be incarcerated?'

That's a strong judgment call and I think most horary astrologers would avoid the question.

2) The 'strictures of judgment' does Not mean that we avoid the question but that caution is suggested like the yellow light at a street intersection between 'red and green'. Lilly has several Early Rising horarys in CA yet no late degree horarys in CA as I understand.

3)That Moon in 'late degrees' is a real argument with many 'contemporary horary artists' meaning if it is VOC to any planet while leaving it's sign!

4)Saturn in the 7th, is saying if the astrologer is recieving a question from a querant that caution is advised and Saturn representing 'need' implies that other horary artists are needed as consultants on that horary question.

5) If I understand Lilly correctly he did in fact answer horarys that where the planetary hour did Not agree.

6) And of course we use the house of the matter to derive our horary judgment.

Clinton Garrett Soule
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Seiko



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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry Coley, "Key to the whole Art of Astrology", page 127:

"And lastly, a Question well and seriously propounded, cannot fail of a satisfactory Resolution; but/for a foolish and indiscreet Querent may cause an able Artist to err in his Judgement, [...]"

Instead of "lastly" I would say -- the only consideration.
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