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Al H. Morrison predicted WTC
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Andrew Bevan



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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sandstone wrote:
i can't remember who said this in some old book, but i remember the mention of t mars hitting an eclipse degree as a problem...

i note the solar eclipse for june 30 1992 su/mo at 8 cancer 56.
mars on the date of the wtc attack - feb 26 1993 at 9 cancer 26..

the solar eclipse prior to 9-11 is on june 21 2001 su/mo @ 0 cancer 10
mars on the date of sept 11 2001 1 cancer 26..

That sounds like "Precepts in Mundane Astrology" by Van Norstrand, for one, which by the way Morrison sent me a reproduction of - free of charge! Thumbs up

Scott Silver wrote:
I have spent years chasing down the answers that would help me puzzle out simple declarative remarks of an astrological nature he made in passing. Here's what he said that threw me-if you have direct Nodes, then the meaning is reversed. I have yet to figure out exactly what he meant,. Did he mean the Lunar Nodes significations flip when they go direct by progression or was he solely referring to the natal chart.

This is so interesting and really got me thinking, but I am wondering whether it should be discussed under another thread, possibly another section.. We should get back to this. Smile
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That sounds like "Precepts in Mundane Astrology" by Van Norstrand


Interesting. That is a book I haven't seen. Although Charles Carter also picked up the issue of transiting Mars activating eclipse degrees.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/eclipsecarter.html

When was this book by Van Norstrand published?

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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When was this book by Van Norstrand published?

It isn't as old as one should imagine. Published by Macoy Publishing Company in 1962 and dedicated to the memory of Nicholas de Vore. But I recalled the book immediately as one of the works I broused though over the years, and it seemed topical to mention it. Barbara Watters also says about the transit of Mars over the place of an eclipse on pg 96 of her 'Horary Astrology'. A.J.Pierce has a good say on the eclipses. I am sure there are authoritives prior to Van Norstand, however, his work is worthy of attention. Lastly, Morrison found it worthy of a reprint. Smile
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When was this book by Van Norstrand published?


1962. All questions regarding astrology books should be referred to Phillip Graves Wink.

I noticed a couple of comments regarding the 1993 attack on the WTC and the 8 - 10 Cancer area. First off, If we use the chart John Frawley suggested for the USA, Jupiter - Saturn Conjunction of 1762, and cast it for New York City, the ASC is 11 Cancer (close enough). Jupiter is elevated at 11 Cancer on the 9/11/01 chart. The 1980 Jupiter Saturn conjunction cast for New York City has 8 Cancer on the ASC. The 2000 conjunction has Algol on the MC and the 2001 Aries Ingress has Algol on the ASC with Saturn.

Still this leads us farther away and I think it is far more likely that Morrison would have used eclipse charts and ingress charts. I've never heard of Norstrand's book so I'm not familiar with it at all, but it isn't impossible that Morrison would be familiar with it.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Andrew I missed the first sentence in your reply. I shouldn't answer questions until after my 2nd cup of coffee.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an FYI for those who might be interested in Van Nostrand's book:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Van+Norstrand&kn=Astrology&sts=t&tn=Precepts+in+Mundane+Astrology&x=46&y=14

I am always ordering from ABE and have yet to be disappointed.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ralphael, or sepherail or someone like that is where i seem to recall reading it..
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the whole saros series question had me pulling out Brady's "Eagle and the Lark.

On 30 May 1965 there was a 3 North Saros Solar Eclipse (9 gem) (I'm thinking maybe 65 works better than 66? I would suspect that if they did "ground breaking" in 66 that there was a bit of forethought in progress. )

21 June 2001 eclipse at 0 Cancer is a 3 north.

Brady has this to say in her book :

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"This is an over obsessive eclipse family. Its main theme being either news involving young people OR News that transforms a situation."


the 3 south also happens in 23 NOv 1965 and 14 Dec 2001
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"this family of eclipses brings with it the sudden ending of associations ... There is a large emotional component as pluto is involved, and a sense of traumatic transformation. this can be through news received or through short journeys."


since the action is definitive in 2001, I thought possibly it may be more sensible to look for the nearest same family eclipse for 1966 or 1943.

looking at the 1993 calendar, you have 13 south and 14 north Saros series, which corresponds to 1939, not 1943, so again possibly public information is not quite aligned with private information, OR possibly the 1993 event, is not related to the same event??? Where as I think that the 2001 and 1965 eclipses line up rather well to suggest that they have something to do with the event. ???

Okay just putting it out there, possibly if we looked at those saros 3 North eclipses in relation to a map??? see if there is a connection that way???

thoughts? Granny
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a few more notes...

Also if you look at the preceding new moon on 2 sept 2001 it is square to the 3 saros eclipse and you stay in Jupiter Mercury houses! you go from a Gemini/Sagitarius Opposition to a Virgo Square! Which may or may not be relevant to AH prediction but certainly worth noting,

Also the 1965 30 May eclipse is at 10 Gem, which is very square The 2 september full moon chart, and is within 2 degrees of Pluto in that chart.

And of course 1983 was the Saros 3 cycle, so it may have been on his mind.

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the research Granny,

I have been doing some of my own. Especially, in regards visible eclipses which were observable from New York.

Although interesting this thread has rather meandered all over the place. I accept a fair degree of responsibility for that myself.

Unless members here object I would like to move all general discussion relating to the 9/11 attacks to a fresh thread. It can be devoted to analysing the attacks from a wider perspective. The idea will be to provide retrospective analysis seeking to explain the attacks. While mundane astrology is often criticised for providing too much 20/20 analysis of past events I think the attacks of 9/11 are something of an exception. They undoubtably represent amongst the most significant events to take place since WWII. Like the Cuban Missile Crisis, The Yom Kippur War and the collapse of Communism the outcome has had a decisive , irrevocable effect on subsequent history. I think study of this issue can help inform our ability to predict future developments in the USA and across the world.

I suggest retaining discussion here specifically in relation to A.H. Morrison and his possible reasons for his startling prediction to Andrew Bevan. Equally, any discussion relating to the foundation of the WTC linked to the 9/11 attacks can still be discussed here.

Is that ok with everyone? Or would most of you just prefer to carry on with all our discussion here?

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OK by me.
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I was referring to data that AH may have used, Andrew said AH liked syzygys and prior eclipse information, so That is what I looked at. ergo, why I said I dont think 1943 applies so much as 1965/66 and referenced the fact that in 1984, when Andrew was Visiting it was the year After the same Saros cycle that is referenced in both 1965 and 2001 The Saros 3. Also mention was made of maps, also why I made that suggestion, I thought I was bringing it back to topic??????

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Granny_Skot wrote:
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I was referring to data that AH may have used, Andrew said AH liked syzygys and prior eclipse information, so That is what I looked at. ergo, why I said I dont think 1943 applies so much as 1965/66 and referenced the fact that in 1984, when Andrew was Visiting it was the year After the same Saros cycle that is referenced in both 1965 and 2001 The Saros 3. Also mention was made of maps, also why I made that suggestion, I thought I was bringing it back to topic??????


Hi Granny,

I certainly wasn't seeking to pick you up on any of your comments. I'm sorry if my post came over that way. I wasn't seeking to stiffle or curtail further discussion here.

I have actually, been thinking about this for a while. For myself I am finding it a bit of a straightjacket trying to discuss this subject within the confines of this thread. I do have comments to make on eclipses but I am coming at this from a rather different approach from the focus of this thread. That is not say I dont have any comments to make here too.

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Okay! I think I took your mention of what I put out there, followed by get back on topic as being toward me, sorry about that.

I admit that I am rather interested in the AH possibilities because, he was in the right place to be interested in such an event and have it come up in some manner. So if someone was going to predict it, he was certainly in a position that some bit of trivia might come his way that made him say ."wow! wait a minute!..."etc. Living in NY and being active in the astrological community, it is quite likely that some information came to light that would catch his attention, also since Andrew was their in 1984, and the Saros 3 was in 1983, I suspect it was likely on his mind... anyway, just a thought. I'm working on the reverse engineering premise here.

by the way, The reason I looked in the eagle and the lark is because Brady has nicely indexed all the eclipses from 1900 - 2050 on pages 337 on in that book, and has the solar eclipse cycles along with start and end dates on pages 307 - 337 and some notes in there as well. it made it a nice easy look up.

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lunar eclipse Nov. 8 1984



This is the chart for the Lunar eclipse on the day that Morrison took me to the WTC and made his prediction. It is interesting to note that Saturn is combust the Sun (with reference to the solar eclipse of July 31. 1962 that I mentioned earlier). Saturn is Lord of the ascendant and the general significator of buildings. He is also located in 19 Scorpio, the 'cursed degree.'

Mercury is lord of both the 4th house (property) and the 8th house(danger) and is culminating in the South in the sign of his detriment and in the exaltation degree of the Moon's South node, 3 Sagittarius. Another curious fact is that if the luminaries are directed at the rate of approximated one degree a day (or solar arc?) then the Sun will reach the body of Mercury a little short of 17 years later, which agrees with September 2001. I would have to point out again that Morrison had no date for when the WTC attack could occur, however, it is interesting how is may have been reflected by the lunar eclipse on the day that we stood on the top of the building and the prediction was announced.
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