Primary disagreement - Morinus vs Placidus 1 by august47 Hi, I recently had my chart rectified by a real astrologer (as distinguished from me) and he used a list of zodiacal primaries generated by Placidus - I believe he used latitude for both promissor and significator - Placidus give a code of ZG for the direction - I cannot get Morinus to generate anything close to this - can you help tell me what to do? Tn aks Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:16 am
Re: Primary disagreement - Morinus vs Placidus 2 by margherita august47 wrote:Hi, I recently had my chart rectified by a real astrologer (as distinguished from me) and he used a list of zodiacal primaries generated by Placidus - I believe he used latitude for both promissor and significator - Placidus give a code of ZG for the direction - I cannot get Morinus to generate anything close to this - can you help tell me what to do? Tn aks No idea what is ZG. In every case for what you describe you should choose under PRIMARY DIRECTIONS options, SEMIARC/ZODIACAL/use the latitude of: BOTH Maybe the fact the two reports don't agree depends on the fact you chose a different key. margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:11 am
3 by august47 Hi, ZG is a code in the leftmost column of the Placidus printout under the heading "Dir" - I suppose it designates zodaical directions and something else - dunno. I have morinus 3.9 primaries set to Placidus semi arc, both lats, asp of proms to sigs only, only using ASC and MC as significators, Naibod key - this is the same as Placidus as far as I can tell (using the Swiss emp files in Morinus) While none of the values match, the Moon's arcs are grossly off - (I tried selecting secondary motion but it got even worse.) Give you an example of how off the two are. Moon converse conj DSC Placidus - arc = 37.48849 Morinus - arc = 45.616 LTrine Moon dir ASC Placidus - arc = 4.83545 Morinus does not find this! only a converse trine at 1.222! RTrine Sun direct MC Placidus - arc = 69.305 Morinus - arc =69.471 Mars direct conj ASC Placidus arc = 32.29562 Morinus arc = 32.428 What is going on? - btw the Placidus directions are very "on" (and yes I remembered to adjust the times in my old morinus files to the rectified birth time!) ...very, very confused... Perhaps morinus doesnt like windows 7...or is corrupt...or hates me... Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:56 pm
4 by margherita august47 wrote: Perhaps morinus doesnt like windows 7...or is corrupt...or hates me... I don't know about Placidus, but I checked by hand semiarc and underthepole in Morinus and they are correct. And Underthepole directions fit even by the day with Placidus results. Moreover I believe Martin Gansten - who is more expert than me -checked with the same results. It should be something in settings, but I cannot guess what, especially because we don't know what is ZG. margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:25 pm
5 by Martin Gansten august47 wrote:ZG is a code in the leftmost column of the Placidus printout under the heading "Dir" - I suppose it designates zodaical directions and something else - dunno. It seems to be an abbreviation for what Rumen Kolev calls 'Zodiacal Argol-L. Gauric'. I confess I have no idea what obscure variation this may signify. Perhaps Margherita can venture a guess, as she is familiar with Argoli and Gaurico? While none of the values match, the Moon's arcs are grossly off - (I tried selecting secondary motion but it got even worse.) There are many variables involved in directing the Moon, not least of which is parallax. I don't think Placidus (the software) allows for parallax correction, although Placidus (the astrologer) advocated it. If you have ticked the Topocentric box under Options > Appearance I in Morinus, that may help explain the difference. Perhaps morinus doesnt like windows 7...or is corrupt...or hates me... I doubt there is anything wrong with Morinus. I use it with Windows 7 every day. Would you mind posting your chart data? Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:32 pm
6 by Martin Gansten margherita wrote:Moreover I believe Martin Gansten - who is more expert than me -checked with the same results. So now we have both invoked each other's authority. Do you have any idea about Gaurico/Argoli? Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:34 pm
7 by margherita Martin Gansten wrote: Do you have any idea about Gaurico/Argoli? I believe that Argoli uses Regiomontanus, at least in Tabulae Primi Mobilis. No idea about Gaurico. margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:18 pm
8 by august47 Topocentricity unfortunately doesn't bring the lunar directions appreciably closer. natal data is as follows - 11:03 pm 08/18/1947 Los Angeles CA 118.25w 34.07n morinus v3.9 settings: Placidus semi arc Lat = both Asp of prom to sign Sigs=ASC, MC Primary key = naibod placidus v4 Placidus Pole: radix Lat = both Asp of prom to sign Sigs=ASC, MC primary key= naibod I could sent a .gif of comparable section of the two printouts but dont know how to attach a file or image here... Last edited by august47 on Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:45 pm, edited 1 time in total. Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:22 pm
9 by august47 heres an attempt to upload comparision data Uploaded with ImageShack.us Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:35 pm
10 by august47 Yuck! this is better I hope...top is morinus, bottom placidus Uploaded with ImageShack.us Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:42 pm
11 by Martin Gansten august47 wrote:Topocentricity unfortunately doesn't bring the lunar directions appreciably closer. As Margherita says Argoli used Regiomontanian directions (and I seem to recall that Gaurico did the same), have you tried selecting that option in Morinus? Without knowing the chart data, there is only so much one can do. Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:06 pm
12 by margherita Placidus manual says that With latitude zero or acc. to Argol - L.Gauric. On the screen we can see only the directions with latitude=0. These are the classical zodiacal directions of Regiomontanus under the Pole of the Significator. Practiced by all Masters in the Regio Tradition. So it's NOT the semiarc method. If you choose this in Morinus, obviously it could never fit. margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:22 pm