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Yuzuru is very shy :(

He just posted in his blog a very nice article about Egypt.

http://episthemologie.wordpress.com/201 ... -horaries/

I agree with him that we can trace some pattern in all the visible eclipses.
I would say two things:
1) that we don't know what will be of Egypt in 6 months (here I don't think about Muslims, I think now it is in hand of army and police)
2) that according the Medieval comment to Tetrabiblos made by Haly Ridwan (Italian partial translation cura Prof. Bezza and mentioned in Fumagalli http://www.cieloeterra.it/eng/eng.artic ... huan2.html) the effects of the eclipse for all the diurnal arc are 12 years.
Being at MC, 2006+6=2012.

Anyway we could even consider other tools like GC or Ingress, I don't discard them at all,

margherita
Traditional astrology at
http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com

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Margherita wrote:
Yuzuru is very shy

He just posted in his blog a very nice article about Egypt.

http://episthemologie.wordpress.com/201 ... -horaries/
mmm he clearly keeps all his best ideas for his blog! :lol: Incidentally, one of those horary charts is very familiar! I am not opposed to mundane horary. At least it has the advantage of simplifying things down making it easier to make a clear judgement. However, I do think it can be more messy at times than Yuzuru concedes. Dont you all recall those competing horaries for the US Presidential election with quite a few predicting a McCain victory? :)
... according the Medieval comment to Tetrabiblos made by Haly Ridwan (Italian partial translation cura Prof. Bezza and mentioned in Fumagalli ttp://www.cieloeterra.it/eng/eng.articoli.sic ... huan2.html) the effects of the eclipse for all the diurnal arc are 12 years.
Being at MC, 2006+6=2012.
Thanks. :'

Mark
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

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that according the Medieval comment to Tetrabiblos made by Haly Ridwan (Italian partial translation cura Prof. Bezza and mentioned in Fumagalli http://www.cieloeterra.it/eng/eng.artic ... huan2.html) the effects of the eclipse for all the diurnal arc are 12 years.
12 years? Yikes! This is looong....
However, I do think it can be more messy at times than Yuzuru concedes. Dont you all recall those competing horaries for the US Presidential election with quite a few predicting a McCain victory? Smile
They can be extremely messy. I remember that the main problem of one of those horaries were that the person tried to pretend a "neutrality" on the subject, and then revealed himself as extremely anti-Obama. But in that case, after I knew that information, I remember that I could see (in foresight) the right answer.

Another episode was the death of Pope John Paul II. I remember a lot of horaries, but I don?t think I saw anybody really getting it right. After all we all knew he was going to die, the question was only when, and I don?t remember anybody getting it right with horaries or mundane techniques.

As I write this, I remembered that I saw that year on a very non-serious site of astrology that the eclipse of that year would bring the death of a religious leader :-)

Anyway, the discussion about mundane horaries I think is best to be kept a little further away from the mundane forum :-) I confess I like more the discussion on eclipses!
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My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com

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Notwithstanding Yuzuru's stunning pictures how do you explain the way the events have unfolded in Egypt from a traditional perspective regarding eclipse interpretation? Has the traditional approach failed to work here? If not how do you explain it?
The traditional approach didn't fail :D angular eclipse, like everything else posited in an angle of any chart, tends to show its effects very clearly, swiftly and powerfully.
Besides, its ruler is oriental Saturn in a cardinal sign, dominating the degree of the eclipse itself(cardinal Capricorn again!) from its tenth.

So I don't see any contradiction here.

Regards,
Goran

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Arab world tense ahead of Friday prayers
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 17,00.html

Middle East protests: live
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

Friday, 18-Feb-2011, a full Moon conjunct fixed star Regulus ("the little king") , opposing Sun, Neptune, Mars, Mercury in Aquarius ("human rights").

ACG lines of Sun, Neptune, Mars, Mercury on the Mc run through the middle east, especially through Iran, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Yemen.

ACG lines of Pluto on Mc and Uranus and Jupiter on Asc run through Northwestern Africa, especially Algeria and Morocco.

The Sun and Moon are on a fated nodal and anaretic degree.

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Hello Goran
cor scorpii wrote: The traditional approach didn't fail :D
True

angular eclipse, like everything else posited in an angle of any chart, tends to show its effects very clearly, swiftly and powerfully.
This is neither Ptolemy or whatever of his Medieval, Renaissance, Early Modern commentators.
Ptolemy mentions both the starting of the effects from the position of the sizygy and in which period these effects will be stronger.

Anyway the problem is how long the effects of the eclipse can survive; most of the commentators say 1 year (12 months), Haly Ridwan 12 years, and in Cieloeterra they did some experiments with 4 years (see Rosalba Signorello in Phos n.16).

Still no doubt that in Ptolemy method angles are not all the same in respect of the time the effects will start.

margherita
Traditional astrology at
http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com

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Well, I guess Ptolemy's take on this would lead us in a very wrong direction. The effects of the eclipse started to manifest themselves almost right away (we shouldn't forget Tunisia where all of this started) and Morin de Villefranche is the one stating that angularity of the eclipse would show almost immediate effects.

Morin's certainly got the point on this one, I think.

Goran

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Since it's being reported that the Tunisian opposition parties have been planning their protests in secret for several years, and recent bouts of unrest across the Mid East have also been going on for years (if not so well reported in the West), I'm thinking there is something to what Margherita is pointing out. But that is the trouble with mundane; you really have to know the politics, and that usually means knowing things that are not common or even public knowledge. Without that, most of what goes on is the usual stabbing-in-the-dark or post facto analysis.
Gabe

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Since it's being reported that the Tunisian opposition parties have been planning their protests in secret for several years, and recent bouts of unrest across the Mid East have also been going on for years (if not so well reported in the West), I'm thinking there is something to what Margherita is pointing out. But that is the trouble with mundane; you really have to know the politics, and that usually means knowing things that are not common or even public knowledge. Without that, most of what goes on is the usual stabbing-in-the-dark or post facto analysis.
The fact no one(at least that I know of) has predicted this doesn't mean it cannot be predicted; it only shows the lack of interest, understanding and knowledge/proficiency in mundane techniques plaguing the majority of today's astrologers.
There are, of course, some very able mundane astrologers around (Steven Birchfield, for instance) but we live in a world consisting of hundreds of states so to cover everything is an overwhelming task,far surpassing the abilities of only a handful of people.
Since the eclipse was visible in whole North Africa, Middle East and Europe, the magnitude of the task becomes obvious. Besides, no one can afford to spend 24/7 staring at dozens of charts in order to make a prediction for every single state - mundane is a lot more than seeing where Neptune, Pluto and Uranus are and what they're transiting.

I agree that nothing comes out of the blue and totally spontaneously, but to imply that astrology isn't able to predict the outbreak itself is to deny its very basis and function. And I maintain that the outbreak of unrest and problems in North Africa and Middle East could have been strongly suspected based solely upon the fact that the eclipse(occurring in the second face of Capricorn, ruled by Mars!) was visible in these areas and that it was ruled by an oriental greater malefic, whereas the lesser one, its exaltation lord, was in the same sign as the eclipse itself;the eclipse happened almost to the minute exactly on Ascella (constellation Sagittarius) of Jupiter/Mercury nature, emphasizing its strong religious, ideological overtones(the "spiritual" leader of The Muslim Brotherhood was allowed to preach publicly in Tahrir square in Cairo in the end after all! http://www.theblaze.com/stories/muslim- ... re-friday/) - and this is only a rough sketch, of course. A lot of other important variables, pertaining to individual states have to be taken into account, but the basic ingredient is there.
For instance, the eclipse fell exactly to the degree on Mars in the 'natal' Aries ingress of Tunisia(20. 3. 1956.) in the 5th!

No good could have come out of this, generally speaking. And it is far from over in the Middle East. Or in Europe, for that matter. There have already been some protests with casualties in Albania. The other states are just waiting for their turn - it will probably erupt in the spring months when Mars will have its heliacal rising along with the last Jupiter/Saturn opposition.

Things are going to escalate and culminate there in the coming months, including a very probable war between Israel and its Arab arch-enemies in the neighborhood. Jupiter/Saturn opposition will occur almost exactly on AC-DC axis of the natal Aries ingress chart for Israel (1948.) whereas the eclipse itself fell on the cusp of the 4th of the same chart.


Regards,
Goran

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Just in reference to some of the Astro*Cartography work I am posting at Astronor.com, but also appears in recent threads at Skyscript:

On January 24. I posted an observation on how the intersection of Saturn/Pluto lines in the Solar Eclipse of Jan 4. related to the terrorist bombing of Moscow Airport. Then I showed how the crossing lines of the same planetary couple (Saturn & Pluto) would be placed directly over the boarder of Egypt, Sudan and Libya for the lunation of February 3.

The uproar in Egypt was already under way. Then South Sudan voted for independence on Feb 7. Back in Egypt Mubarak stepped down on Feb 11., and then by Feb 15. political demonstrations had spread to Libya. Yesterday newspapers reported the Libaneese security police had killed at least 84 demonstrators. Gadaffi had closed down the internet and his two sons were reported to have left the country.

I propose that an effect in relation to the astrological meaning of the Saturn/Pluto lines was demonstrated.
http://www.astronor.com

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SUN - SAGITTARIUS 26
Climbing the steps of the pyramid of the Sun.

Here is the Sacrificial victim, Mohamed Bouazizi, a humble fruit vendor, whose death triggered the current sweep of revolution spreading throughout the Middle East.
Police in a provincial city in Tunisia used tear gas late on Saturday to disperse hundreds of youths who smashed shop windows and damaged cars...Witnesses said several hundred youths gathered in the city of Sidi Bouzid, about 200 km (125 miles) south-west of the capital Tunis, late on Saturday.

They were angered by an incident where a young man, Mohamed Bouazizi, had set fire to himself in protest after police confiscated the fruit and vegetables he was selling from a street stall, the witnesses said.
Sun ruler 6th (street vendor) exactly sextile Nep in 12th - Self Sacrifice.

Sabian Degree for #Sun tells the same story..

"The Flag Bearer" a symbol of selfless dedication to a greater collective ideal.

Dr. Jones tells us the Solar degree is where things of "enduring significance... overshadow the more immediate interests or wholely selfish concerns of man, and the emphasis... on the natural supremacy of common ideals over mere individual ambitions." He says this degrees "is the call for a high self-sacrifice... (to) permit the self to realize its transcendental aspirations." The keyword is NOBILITY, and he states "the degree is spiritual exaltation through some dramatic or vital service to all."




Tunisia trigger of M. East revolts

at 17 December 2010 at 11:30 (approx)

in Sidi Bou Zid, TUN
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With a view to what is going on in Egypt it's worthwhile having a second look at some of the charts given above.
Egypt threatened by turmoil and chaos.
LL
Non coerceri maximo, contineri minimo divinum est.