16 by margherita MarkC wrote:Who took these pictures? What time zone was their equipment set for? Was it it adjusted for daylight saving time changes? Mark It should be Al Jazeera video, true? Repubblica, one of the most important Italian newspapers, says "from an helicopter of the Israel navy. " margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:01 pm
17 by daz madrigal Surely this is an unexplainable attack. It would be hard convince other countries of the reason, from what I read from Italian newspapers. Working from the time given - 4.30 LT its something that should never happened. Poor judgement and lack of understanding throughout. SUN in 1st house Unaspected, in GE - misunderstandings, bad communication. ME in 12th conj AC. Things aren't what they seem, confusion. VE opp MO Over-emotional; emotions over-ride mind. MA opp NE Misjudged or failed military action. Neptune/Mars - sea military actions. JU on PI/AR cusp Should I accept things (PI) or should I act/fight (Aries)??? Add a number of unfortunate Fixed Stars and the result of the mix is a bit of a mess to say the least. Mad Daz's Place, quiet but never boring http://pinkmelon.proboards82.com/index.cgi Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:22 pm
18 by handn Working from the time given - 4.30 LT LT = Local Time? If so, I'm afraid it's not right.... the 4:30 time is GMT. You were right earlier about Pluto though, if the 4:30 time is accurate (so far it seems that 4:30 GMT is the most accurate time we have). Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:12 pm
19 by Mark LT = Local Time? If so, I'm afraid it's not right.... the 4:30 time is GMT I dont understand where you have got that from. Although the whole issue of timing (and location!) is up in the air a bit in terms of exactitude there has never been any suggestion that the time of the attack was 04.30 GMT. That would make the LT 07.30am when the attack occured but that is contradicted by all eye witness accounts. I got this eyewitness account from the Al Jazeera website: We were expecting the Israeli army to stop us, to prevent us from entering but surely we didn't expect such a war against us.It was 14 ships which approached us, nearly at 4.30 in the morning. Fourteen ships that I could count and one helicopter. Maybe more than 10 soldiers, I couldn't say exactly [how many] were getting out of the helicopter.On the second floor of the ship there were just passengers who are journalists, a nurse and organisers of the flotilla who didn't have anything in their hands. After 20 minutes, maybe 15 minutes, there were three dead bodies. It ended at six, when a voice from the microphone said the ship was controlled by the Israelis, 'please enter the rooms'. Haneen Zubi, Palestinian member of the Knesset I heard another Palestinian passenger who had been released today give exactly the same time for the appearance of the Israeli ships and Helicopter on BBC News channel. Can I ask anyone posting here to discuss or dispute a time for the attack please back up their contribution with a source? Otherwise we will be going round in circles on this thread. Personally, I think we have enough evidence to work with a 04.30am LT. The real challenge is the coordinates for the attack. I haven't found any News agencies giving this out. Not really surprising as the ship is a moving object! Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:24 pm
20 by margherita MarkC wrote: Personally, I think we have enough evidence to work with a 04.30am LT. The real challenge is the coordinates for the attack. I haven't found any News agencies giving this out. Not really surprising as the ship is a moving object! Mark Source: http://witnessgaza.com/ Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:09 pm
21 by Mark Thanks Margherita, Great the coordinates! However, I still think that 04.30GMT time must be a mistake. Why on earth would eye witnesses give a GMT rather than local time? That makes no sense at all. The Free Gaza office in Cyprus gave a 4.30am time to a local radio station yesterday in Cyprus. Cyprus is using the same LT as Israel/Gaza. That contradicts the information displayed above from the same source! Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:17 pm
22 by margherita MarkC wrote:Thanks Margherita, That contradicts the information displayed above from the same source! Yes, I know. No idea margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:26 pm
23 by handn handn wrote:I wonder where the journalists are getting it from because the map says 4:30am GMT for their last position before IDF attack That's where I got it from! (and thanks margherita) Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:59 pm
24 by Mark For those that want to work with with the 04.30am local time (01.30 GMT) here is the chart. Thanks to Margherita for the coordinates. I have also cast a chart for 05.00am LT (02.00am GMT) which is closer to the original time quoted by BBC and AFP. It does seem there might be a slight gap between the appearance of the Israeli ships and the landing of the IDF commandoes. Last edited by Mark on Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:13 pm, edited 1 time in total. As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:00 pm
25 by handn MarkC wrote:However, I still think that 04.30GMT time must be a mistake. Why on earth would eye witnesses give a GMT rather than local time? That makes no sense at all. It makes a lot of sense if you're in international waters with cameras all over your boat knowing you're broadcasting the event around the world! Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:00 pm
26 by handn MarkC wrote:For those that want to work with with the 04.30am local time (01.30 GMT) here is the chart. Mark, no offence intended by this but there is no source for 'local time'. The source you quoted did not give the time zone, you just assumed it must be local time, but apparently you hadn't seen my earlier post referring to the map which gave GMT and mentioned the IDF attack. So far that is the only source we have that pinpoints a time a location and that mentions the attack. The ship was broadcasting GPS coordinates, don't you think that makes sense, to do it in Universal Time? Especially when in international waters, that is to say, outside national time zones. Why would the people on six different boats use a land-based 'local time' when they broadcast their position? Whose land would they use? They are moving! In any case that map and the pin on it is the best source we have. The media don't zone in on the information that we astrologers want. News outlets are frenetic places full of wrong information and lack of fact-checking. For the time being that map is the most independent, most direct source data that we have got. Until it is proven wrong it must stand as the most reliable source to quote. Regards H. Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:12 pm
27 by Mark Hello Handn, Seems you are right. Here is a Guardian article giving the time as 4.30am GMT. Although this totally contradicts earlier reports by the BBC and AFP stating the attack beginning around 2.00am GMT. Also the Flotilla set off from Cyprus which has the same time zone as Gaza/Israel. However, you do have a good point about Universal time for International waters. Anyway... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... -activists Here is the relevant bit: Over the next few hours as the Israeli ships circled, the flotilla issued a series of brief messages through their spot locator, a telecommunications device which charted their progress on a web site. "This is a HELP message," it said at 12.30am. "We have been contacted by the Israelis but are still fine, don't worry." Shortly afterwards another states: "Challenger 2 [one of the boats] contacted by Israeli Defence Force radio A/O approached by IDF ships", and another: "Going ahead". Three more "OK" signals between 1.30am and 2.30am were then replaced at 4.30am by a red exclamation mark stating: "Last position before IDF attack. 04:30 GMT, Latitude:32.64113, Longitude:33.56727" ? around 70 miles from the coast of northern Israel and 90 miles from Gaza.The assault had been under way for at least 30 minutes, according to Dr Arafat Madi, one of the European organisers of the convoy who spoke to the activists by satellite phone shortly afterwards The same information provided by Margherita above on the google map. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:29 pm