Re my prediction for Benjamin Netanyahu:
I made a mistake with my rectification for Netanyahu and of course with wrong birth time and completely wrong epoch, no prediction is possible.
Now I can see the giggle on your face: every time a prediction is failed, I can argue for incorrect rectification.
No one is infallible.
Failure is always be remembered, successes ? much less. In the past I successfully predicted the failure of Suzan Boyle, that Gordon Brown will sustain as PM while almost everyone predicted he will resigned, the results of the elections in Germany and in two elections in US, published in Considerations.

dr. farr wrote:Regarding significant signs of peril in charts (especially in nativities) my experience has convinced me of the fact that these may be perceived, and times of significant peril, as well as causes and places of such peril, may be delineated with great precision.

I would have no problem with criticism on Kepler etc, we simply can't all agree on things. I've also seen striking signs of peril. For example my brother once broke his clavicle bone in an adventure race match. On that day Saturn was in exact square with his MC. Rather than a direct cause I try to explain this through the effect of Saturn making him not feel very good in that period or perhaps a bit careless at the time. So there can be some relationship between planetary positions and dangerous events but I don't think in a direct way. I further think there's a risk in focusing on it because one might become anxious all the time.

Isaac Starkman wrote:Re my prediction for Benjamin Netanyahu:
I made a mistake with my rectification for Netanyahu and of course with wrong birth time and completely wrong epoch, no prediction is possible.
Now I can see the giggle on your face: every time a prediction is failed, I can argue for incorrect rectification.
No one is infallible.
Failure is always be remembered, successes ? much less. In the past I successfully predicted the failure of Suzan Boyle, that Gordon Brown will sustain as PM while almost everyone predicted he will resigned, the results of the elections in Germany and in two elections in US, published in Considerations.

No, I don't intend to laugh about that. Admitting a mistake is one of the most difficult thing yet also one of the most honest things one can do. My main problem with your techniques is that I find that too many elements are used so that there is a great risk that predictions can be attributed to chance, but apart from this, I don't like death predictions.

I also made a prediction on a Dutch politician once but I never told it anyone so I don't have any evidence. The Dutch leader Jan Marijnissen of the Socialist Party who won a lot parliament seats in the 2006 elections. Yet I saw that Pluto would transit conjunct his natal Mars. I knew from criticism on his tempered character and some dictatorial tendencies, however this was not known by the main public. But this came to the surface in 2007, during the Pluto transit. I already thought this would happen. So indeed one can get convinced of the predicting value. Marijnissen has quit the parliament in 2008 because of health issues of his heart. A thing I didn't predict by the way. However heart-attacks etc can be related to temperedness and stress, so here a psychological issue can manifestate in a physical way.

However if in a hypothetical case I would have known him personally and if we would have discussed his chart, then I would only have focussed on his temper getting publicly known and I would have advised to work on this. I don't think I could tell anyone that he was going to have a heart attack on the basis of astrology alone, even if I could see this through astrology.

I realise that through this my focus is rather on the ethics than on any possibility of death predictions.

But through astrological analysis one could detect a trend of influences which could point to a significant possibility of heart attack (or some other cardiac affection), and then undertake measures to modify such a trend. I do this all the time in astro-therapeutic analysis (related to my field of homeotherapeutics) And I shall further state (from experience) that such macrocosmic trends show before detectable (physical) pathology exists-sometimes even prior to the development of significant functional disturbances regarding the organ or tissue system involved. These trends (to me) are all important; I personally consider "trend detection" to constitute the essence of astrological investigation in natal, astro-medical, and, yes, even mundane and horary fields.

Also related to this topic.

This is another "prediction" of him, that he wrote for someone for who he only knew that he has SO in Aries:

If Pluto is square your Sunsign now, (Pluto is in Capricorn, your Sun is in Aries), then Pluto will conjunct your Sun in about fifty years. However, there seems to be some correlation, at least I have found some, between suicide and Pluto hard aspects to Sun. Pluto square Sun means, (in rudimentary astrological terms) in a nutshell, death-challenge to-self. You could have suicidal intentions during the several years that Pluto squares your Sun. As for Saturn, it is now in Libra, opposite Aries. Saturn can cause difficulties, making your life frustrating and depressing. It rarely means death but it can cause troubles. It could not conjunct your Sun until about fifteen years from now. Then Neptune is in late Aquarius now, square Aries. Neptune like Pluto could take a long time to get to Aries, say about twenty years from now.

Now understand, just being in aspect to your sign does not have much meaning. It is really when the aspect to your Sun position, within a few degrees, that there is any significant effect. So without knowing your exact positions it would be difficult to make any kind of judgement on this question. However, I would say that you should only worry or be scared if you actually do have suicidal tendencies and you are the best judge of that.

This guy is a shame for astrology, i have to say.....i can't believe i even believed in what he told me originally.

This guy is a shame for astrology, i have to say.....i can't believe i even believed in what he told me originally.

The real concern is that you may be just one of many people this person has been inflicting his ideas on. Does this 'astrologer' claim any astrological qualifications or membership of any astrological bodies? Did you actually pay over money for a consultation? Giving out this kind of astrological advice out in such a casual way is deeply irresponsible and dangerous.He is bringing all astrological practice into disrepute by continuing to tout these simplistic notions.

I don't know really. Of course, i didn't pay anything to him, i don't know who he is, or where he is from, i didn't ask HIM directly about what i said in the original post. I posted a question in one of the astrological forums, and he looked at my birth month, day and year, and then he wrote that.......and for this guy he only knew that he is born with SO in Aries. He asked something about the Pluto transits, and about Saturn transits, and that is where he jumped in.

He claims that he "has" clients, but he can claim whatever he likes, it's easy to say things like that over the internet, but in these comments, even if i know little about astrology, i think he doesn't know much more either.

Hi folks:

I was reading this interesting topic and I have to say that my birthday is at 22th of March.:-)
So, Backy, there is much more things to take into account than the simple position of Pluto that as all the colleagues agreed is influencing much more persons specially those born in the cardinal signs.
I think it?s possible to delineate the moment of peril and even of death, but the present circumstances, the development of the Medicine, can turn the delineation less precise.
For example, my father in 2006 was 85 years old and suddenly he got unconscious with diabetes and all kinds of problems, becoming in the intensive care for 40 days, unconscious, needing dialysis, etc: a real ugly perspective.
The medicine saved him. His own participation is a good Sun in Aries in the 9th house: he is a survivor and now he will celebrate his 90th birthday.
BUT: His life is no more what it used to be: he is very restricted in his daily life and he is not happy.
When we study the three ? differentiae?, I;e, when the child will be a stillborn, or will live just the time to be nourish, or, if will die before 12 years old, we learn that all is a matter of the strength of the hyleg and the soundness of the alchocodem, that give the years that the person will live.
In medieval times this kind of calculation was a routine for the astrologers, because of the political problems caused if a heir of a throne would not live enough.
Now you use the same technique but you must give 5 years for more or less.
A couple of weeks ago I was studying a chart of a woman, trying to find when she died: it was an exercise a group of astrologer was doing.
After delineating the chart I saw that the lady would live a lot: her alchocoden was the Moon, which gives 108 year as her maximum time. The Moon was in the 5th sign but by quadrants it was angular in the 4th in Libra, receiving a trine with reception from Venus and an opposition, not exact, from Saturn.
I gave to the Moon the time of Venus and I discounted the time of Saturn and I arrived at 95 years of life more or less.
I went to the Firdar, and I reach an ugly Firdar on 2007, when the Profection would fall in the 4th house. The Solar Revolution was pointing out to big troubles.
My guess was that she would have died in 2007 after her birthday.
But I come to know that really it was an awful year: she felt and broke her rip, suffering a surgery. Her best friend died the same year and she felt really depressed. But she did not die. She come to die two years later.
If you think that in the Medieval times a surgery was not a possibility we can agree that the Medieval astrologer did a really good job on predicting dead and probably without the Medicine the technique would work fine.
In the same way, children in the present time are able to survive without a hyleg and an a?chocodem, but they have an unhappy life, as I can say for some vivid examples. The determination and prediction of life expectancy enters in the intimacy of the chart, and those who do not have a hyleg have cadent or debilitated planets, determining the person to many frustrations and restrictions, including health problems.
When you reached the time gave by the alchocodem you can survive, but many times you feel like dead, since the limitations can be powerful ( as in the case of my dead).
Antonius de Montulmo , active in Italy approximately from 1384 to 1390, in his ? On The Judgemens of Nativities?, Volume X of the Latin Track, Project Hindsight, page 63, says:? When matter has been rendered out of proper proportion, and the systematic arrangements have been destroyed, the form pre?existing in it does not have the power to remains in the matter, except in a state of corruption?

best regards

Clelia Romano,DMA

Thanks a lot Clelia for the contribution.

Ok, now speaking generally of this thing, would for example a certain prediction that was made for a person born on.......let's say 18:30 be very different than if he/she was born on........18:25?

Sometimes they can be, Backy, because the ascendant switches, and the hyleg and alcocoden switch. You can have twins, one of whom dies very young, the other who lives to old age.

It's a tricky business even to discover the hyleg and alcocoden, and the more you work in it, the more you realise that.

Then there can be (as your friend said, though I hate to give him credit for anything) directions so strong that you should die quite young, but you don't.

I had this happen at 3 years of age, and I have a friend also who had to have emergency surgery at 16 days else he would have died - no doubt.

Yet we both have hylegs and alcocodens, ones not indicating childhood death (though the directions clearly did). When I come across things like that, it's really a bit amazing.

Olivia, I totally agree that when dangerous directions come to the hyleg they can kill, even if the years given by the alchocodem are not accomplished.

I agree also, that little differences in birth time can mean a lot, even if they are not enough to switch signs: They can bring very different configurations.
I like to think that God works with a certain time frame to give room to Chance, Fortune and Tych? to work

Actually I was thinking in Elvis Presley. He had a stillborn twin and both had the Ascendant in Sagittarius.
In Elvis chart I think the Ascendant is the Hyleg and Mars is the Alchocodem.

I was looking at both charts, and I verified that Elvis had the Ascendant at 12 degrees and his twin at 4 degrees. By the way, it is not easy to pick some planet to be the hyleg in these charts, I must say!

Mars is at 12 degrees of Libra, in his detriment. Elvis?s Ascendant is exactly at 12 of Sagittarius, so, as I said I considered that the Ascendant was the Hyleg and Mars the Alchocodem.
Mars gave his middle years because he is in a good house, but in bad celestial state, so he was not able to give his bigger years. The middle years of Mars are 40,5 and Elvis lived 42 years.
Pretty close, isn?t it? And I have not look at the Firdars, Profection, etc.:-)

His stillborn twin, however, had the Ascendant at 4 degrees, and Mars was at 12 of Libra. The Moon was at one degree of Pisces so she was nearer to do an aspect with the Ascendant than Mars. The Moon was cadent and ruling the 8th, disposed by Jupiter in the 12th : no hopes for Jesse Presley.
Because of few minutes and few degrees you have a stillborn or a pop star! Amazing, hu?

Following I provided the two charts!

best wishes :-)

Clelia

Sorry! In the last post I put twice the same chart:

here is Jesse Presley?s chart:



sorry folks!

Clelia

You're absolutely correct, Clelia, and thank you for reminding me of that.

Had I been born 20 minutes earlier, I wouldn't have a hyleg, either, which is a fairly sobering thought.

I don't pretend to understand what God is, but I'm sure that there is one, especially the more I study these things.