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How Governments use the Stars (Sirius and Alnilam).
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Monk



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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kirk,

As always as i write there seems a problem over anyone debating with me, could you explain this, as i bring up topics that anyone that has serious intention of being involved in debate over truth would gladly be involved in?

Monk.
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You always give us too much to read that covers too many points and too much world history! Laughing This time, after the title How Governments use the Stars, you enter into a discussion of vegetarian restaurants in London and mention Jack the Ripper. Then we move on to Gandhi, the Pythagoreans, the Fabian Society, Edward Carpenter (with a comment on the Independent Labour Party's first conference), sun cults, George Bernard Shaw, the Emperor Aurelian, Annie Horniman, Florence Farr, The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Annie Besant and the Theosophical Society, back to vegetarianism, on to Co-Freemasonry – all of which has apparently led us by some sort of natural progression to “The date is Wednesday Evening 8th September 1875 in New York”. Then we're off to the Indian National Congress, the Muslim League . . . And so many links along the way. Confused It's too much, and too hard to know where and how to start a reply.




Oh, I forgot to mention Henry S. Salt. Smile
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps J. K. Rowling would be sad that you didn't decipher her symbolism?

Http://thehogshead.org/fabian-society-post-160/
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see her taking much interest in what I do.

So, we've gone from Henry S. Salt to Harry Potter. Confused We need to steer this behemoth back toward mundane astrology and governments using the stars, if it's at all possible in this boundless sea. Laughing
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear . . . I just realized this isn't the mundane forum. Since we do philosophy in this one, we probably can cover everything under the Sun (and beyond) so long as we do it in earnest and use a lot of words. It's your pond, Monk. Thumbs up
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kirk,

I'm sorry you find history tedious, you do seem to have a problem with Henry S. Salt being in any way being influencial on Gandhi, perhaps a little more reading will help?

http://www.ivu.org/history/salt/

Henry S. Salt was influencial on a great deal of political reformers, so if you want to show links between different groups, then it is usual to show how it came about.

The Theosophical Society always did want political reform in India, and worked towards that end, which can only be a good thing!

I have left links to where i write on page one that is full of Hermetic electional astrology, it is irrational to write it all out again, if you have any questions about the link, please give page number and thread section as ref. and i will get back to you.

My interests are varied, another interest is Phi and i talk about this from thread section #15 on this link:-

www.open2.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13507

There are 3 pages to link, please turn over page.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Japan align the stars to its war effort in the 1930's?

The Meiji Constitution was put in place in Tokyo on 29th November 1890.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Constitution

I use ancient parans, calcalations are the same as an astronomy progamme or Brady's Starlight, that start at Sunrise Midnight or Sunset on date....projected measure is inaccurate.

On date and location, the Sun rose at 06:34:44am, while Alnilam was setting in the West along the horizon within the four minutes of time margin.

Generally it is noted that the Japanese militarists staged the explosion that started the Mukden Incident to provide an excuse to start invading Manchuria.

Mukden is now called Shenyang, 41*N47'32", 123*E25'58", date 18th Sept. 1931, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukden_Incident

At location and date the Sun rose at 05:32:22am, while Alnilam was culminating in the middle of the sky (M.C.) within the four minute margin.

Things calmed down till the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, link below:-

Location Beijing, 39*N55'44", 116*E23'18"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo_Bridge_Incident

Date 7 July 1937, the Sun rose at 04:57:07am, Alnilam, belt of Orion rose within the four minute margin!

The Nanking Massacre was awful, Nanking now called Nanjing, 32*N03'42", 118*E46'40".

Date 9th Dec. 1937, the Sun rose at location at 06:57:54am, while Sirius is just below the horizon in the West, however its settinng is within the four minute margin, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

Finally we can look at the attack on Pearl Harbour, nearest point Pearl City, Hawaii, 21*N24'30", 157*W58'01"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

On 7th Dec. 1941 at location the Sun rose at 06:31am, while Alnilam was setting in the West, a tell-tale sign of electional astrology is Jupiter is also setting!

I would think this has to do with Hermetic philosophy, as this is an Egyptian star associated with Osiris?

Interesting as Japan is the land of the rising Sun!

Parans are ancient astrology, time of event isn't used, but the start of the day at the three points of sunrise midnight or sunset.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have looked at the second Sino-Japanese war and the war aims of Japan at the beginning of the 2nd World War....is there any more we can say about the 2nd World War, the First Sino-Japanese War or the Russian-Japanese war of 1905 with Japanese star alignments?....Yes there is!

Before we go forward, we must look at Taisei Yokusankai, being The Imperial Rule Assistance Association, put in place in Tokyo on 12 October 1940, this outlawed all other political parties in Japan, and was used to promote the goals of Shintaisen, which was "New World Order".....heard that before!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Rule_Assistance_Association

On this occasion the start of the day was aligned to Ancient Greek philosophy which is sunset on 11th Oct. 1940 in Tokyo, so on this Friday the Sun set at 17:07:33pm by Brady's Starlight Programme, while Sirius was aligned to the Nadir, out of synch by 3 mins 4 secs, so within the four minute margin.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Fix i have on the Philippine islands of the Batanes is Basco link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basco,_Batanes

By looking at this link, it was the first part of the Philippines that the Japanese occupied, thus we find sentence " In the morning of 8th Dec. 1941, the Japanese landed on the Batan Islands".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batanes

I have used Basco as a fix and on 8th Dec. 1941, the Sun rose at 06:19:30am, while Alnilam and Jupiter were setting in the West on Desc. by paran.

On 2nd Jan. 1942, the Japanese walked into the Capital, Manila, 14*N35', 121*E00', midnight day marker used, although slightly out of four minutes, Sirius was culminating by paran, however out of synch by 4 mins 3 secs.

http://www.pacificwrecks.com/60th/1942/1-42.html

On 22nd Dec. 1941 the Japanese started an invasion of the Lingayin Gulf, please read link:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingayin_Gulf

One place they mention is Agoo, Pangasinian, Philippines, 15*N46', 120*E22'.

The Sun rose on that day and location at 06:24:53am, and Sirius is just below the Horizon in the West by paran, however this is within the four minute margin used by Brady's Starlight, try two minutes earlier when Sirius is out of synch by 01 mins 27 secs, so two minutes later it is out by 3 mins 27 secs.

It looks like Japanese "Star Wars", i'll give you a few weeks to reply, then we will move on to the Borneo occupation!

Hi Kirk, haven't heard from you lately?
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops mistake on Lingayen Gulf link, true link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingayen_Gulf
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi Kirk, haven't heard from you lately?

Hi Monk,

When I noticed that you added to the thread I thought I would be neighborly and come up with a reply for you. But after wading through so much history, geography and twinkling stars I just wasn't up to the task. Sorry. Confused

I did enjoy your greeting, however. Very Happy
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kirk,

Please note i'm not against astrology in general, Skyscript is an open forum, however i'm interested in astrology that has been kept secret, that doesn't reflect on any members here!

It is a fact that most astrologers before Bernadette Brady only used the inaccurate projected measure on fixed stars.

To value my work, then Brady's Starlight must be on a shopping list, it is accurate like an astronomy programme!

I have made it less complicated to look at history by leaving links, however you only need a date of event, you don't need to wade through so much history!

Now unlike projected measure, parans use all four angles, what i'm saying is that there is human intention to align JUST TWO STARS TO THE EVENT.

There is a debate here, between unconscious human involvement or intented human involvement, however which way you wish to look at this still provides information on how astrology works....obviously i think this is electional astrology attached to Hermetic Philosophy, but i'm interested in the other point of view!

If we looked at both stars aligned at sunrise, midnight or sunset then by looking at four angles we get 24 hits in a year, however we use a four minute margin, so this would double the effect.
However at a lot of locations Sirius and Alnilam don't rise or set, and there are a lot of locations where Sirius and Alnilam set together.

All in all by odds of chance or intended i would say we are looking at about 40 hits a year out of 365 days.

Therefore i need to show a mountain of evidence.....this isn't a problem, i have done the work, odds of chance also looks at points of famous dates in history, in the end it is all about pure mathematics!

Another example would be the Wang Jingwei puppet regime of the Japanese, put in place on 30th March 1940 in Nanjing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei_Government

Greek day method used, being sunset on 29th March 1940 being 18:18:16pm, while Sirius was culminating out of synch by 02 mins 28 secs.

I'll be back in a few weeks, nice to talk to you Kirk!
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