USA NATAL CHART

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The following is a recent communication with a colleague that may interest astrologers who monitor mundane astrology.

Jim, your striking New Moon observation (including Paran phases for t. Saturn-Uranus-Pluto set to DC) for Sept. 18th falling on the t. Saturn-Uranus opposition prompted me to look at the July 4th USA Birth(s). Here are some further observations:

1: This (3rd) Saturn-Uranus opposition falls (partile phase) on USA Natal Neptune with t. Saturn conjunct USA Natal Neptune. USA Natal Neptune is square USA Natal Mars meaning the t. Saturn-Uranus opposition forms a T-Square with USA Natal Mars. Sept. 18 New Moon Squares USA Natal Mars.

2: Focusing on t. Mars alone, we note shortly after the Sept.18th New Moon cycle, t. Mars will partile conjunct USA Natal Sun. USA Natal Sun is Square USA Natal Saturn?then also within the Sept. 18th New Moon Cycle?t. Mars will partile Square USA Natal Saturn. Using your partiality with your 12:14:42 LMT birth time for the July 4th USA Chart?this t. Mars aspects to the USA Chart is Angular!

The ?scent? becomes stronger with the above observations!

Regards, Steve
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan

USA NATAL CHART

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Granny asked:
Which US natal chart are you using?
It really doesn?t matter which birth time US July 4th 1776 Chart you use to see the huge transiting planetary picture being formed with the Sept. 18th New Moon. My posted comments pertaining to the angles is using Donald Bradley?s favorite birth time of 12:14:42 LMT, Philadelphia. I don?t know why Bradley used this time?only that my colleague is very partial to this birth time. All I know is there are 6 transiting bodies aspecting USA Natal Neptune?very unusual!

Regards, Steve
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan

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I asked because some people use the constitution or other chart and just think one should be specific on date at least. :) thanks! I hate assuming I know what chart a person is using.

Granny

USA NATAL CHART

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Granny wrote:
I asked because some people use the constitution or other chart and just think one should be specific on date at least. thanks! I hate assuming I know what chart a person is using.
Understood-I agree.

I don't really understand how to read a mundane national chart but it is obvious by simple transits that USA Natal Neptune (July 4th 1776) is lit up like a X-mas Tree with the New Moon on Sept.18th.
Bill Meridian?s work & study of Charles Jayne?s mundane astrological work states:
Neptune is the Planet of the Masses. This planet rules mass movements and the mass mind. Neptune has a liberal character and symbolizes social idealism and collectivism. Jayne cited it as being the single most prominent factor in the dissolution of countries and organizations. This usually occurred through a loosening of the social laws of the land, and frequently was accompanied by monetary inflation. Utopian socialism through the growth of international organizations is a Neptunian development. Labor organizations and cooperatives, somewhat akin to socialism also fell under Neptune?s rule. Neptune rules majorities. After the war, Jayne interpreted Neptune as being the planet of large-scale finance. Key words: Welfare state, utopia, socialism, liberal groups.
I find Jayne?s mundane work (Jayne died many years ago) on Neptune?s symbolism in mundane maps very interesting pertaining to the raging debates occurring in the US pertaining to socialized healthcare.


Regards, Steve
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan

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it looks to me as though whatever is happening should happen before the new moon however as all those planets are past the 22 Degrees of Virgo When the new moon hits,

they do however all trine Pluto at 27 Cap quite nicely.