I don't know about the original post, but I was born at night, which puts Jupiter out-of-sect. And likely why Venus ended up my almuten figuris, as that's my other planet with a lot of essential dignity - but it's not afflicted, and in sect - as well as dispositing Jupiter.

[quote="kerenhappuch"]Trojan, that's an interesting quote. Thanks for the info. Does that book include more information on sect, as it would apply to the other planets?

Yes Keren,
there`s a section called "General Natures of the Planets According to Sect".
R. Hand says that the principles discussed in this section are still tentative and should be taken only as a guidelines for research.
I`ve found this booklet (68 pages) very useful. Highly recommended!

Best wishes,
Trojan

How would you expect a retrograde, debilitated Jupiter in 29 Cap, posited in 6th, lord of 5th & 8th, opposite Venus to behave?

Looking back over my life, I'm unaware of any significantly challenging Jupiter effects or any beneficial effects either. It's been more of dud than anything negative or positive. Maybe I'm just not looking at the right times or at the right parts of my life for Jupiterian effects. Any suggestions regarding what to look for?

I do recall this one incident. About 5 years ago, I had a relocation consultation from a noted relocation astrologer. He recommend Kuai as my best possible location because it sits right on my Jupiter/MC line. For some reason, hearing that made me shudder! I couldn't imagine living under any of my Jupiter lines with Jupiter being in the condition described in paragraph one. I then consulted with another relocation expert who told me that the only way he'd recommend that I live in Kuai is if God came down from heaven and personally escorted me there....otherwise, stay away from Kuai. You're Jupiter could pose some real problems, said he. That felt like a more accurrate assessment to me. But all too frequently, my experience has not paralled the expectaions/predictions/evaluations of astrologers and/or the books. So it is difficult for me to have confidence in astrological pronouncements, even though I've been studying it for more than 40 years

How would you expect a retrograde, debilitated Jupiter in 29 Cap, posited in 6th, lord of 5th & 8th, opposite Venus to behave?

This is exactly why I think the traditional approach comes up trumps over modern astrology. Yes Jupiter is generically the 'greater benefic'.

However there are many possible factors that might diminish its effect in a nativity. For example:

-Jupiter in its detriment or fall
-Jupiter without essential dignity (peregrine)
-Jupiter in a cadent house
-Jupiter combust , in the beams or opposing the Sun
-Jupiter out of sect
-Jupiter disposited by a malefic (esp if malefic is debilitated by sign or peregrine)
-Jupiter in conjunction or aspect to a malefic (Saturn/Mars-esp if malefic debilitated/or peregrine)
-Jupiter conjunct or aspeciting any other debilitated planet
-Jupiter conjunct the South Node
-Jupiter conjunct a malefic fixed star
-Jupiter retrograde
-Jupiter is slow in motion

Clearly every chart must be assessed in context. A debilitated Jupiter is not going to deliver that much by transit. As always a transit needs the support of 'natal promise' in the birth chart to take effect.

Moreover as Yuzuru pointed out earlier transits dont necessarily indicate anything happening by themselves. They are only triggers that activate if other indicators in the chart such as the Solar return support this.

Recently transiting Jupiter was in Capricorn. Not a Jupiter able to deliver much in its sign of fall and disposited by a peregrine Saturn. Jupiter has moved out of its fall into Aquarius. Thats an improvement. However, its still disposited by that Saturn. Only when it enters its sign of rulership in Pisces can we really expect Jupiter to be able to perform like we hope. However if you dont have the natal promise of a good Jupiter even that will not make as much difference.

Its interesting to look at the credit crunch in this way. Jupiter is the natural significator of wealth and things go badly wrong with Jupiter in Capricorn. We can only hope things improve as it moves into Pisces and Saturn moves into its exaltation in Libra in the early new year.

For some people its other planets that really deliver the goods for them. For example a strongly placed Saturn by sign, house position , sect etc can be the real powerhouse of their chart and its the Saturn transits that bring them results rather than those of Jupiter.

In my experience its usually people with Saturn in Capricorn, Libra or Aquarius , in an angular house, in sect who are the instigators of astro chats about how Saturn is really our friend and teacher. Those with Saturn in Cancer, Leo, or Aries, in a cadent house, out of sect and retrograde just listen in total disbelief following their last mauling in a Saturn transit!

I have also noticed that a transiting Jupiter doesn't always bring good things. In December, when the transiting Jupiter was exactly conjunct my natal Moon at 28 Capricorn, the guy I was dating (and falling hard for) broke up with me... Of course, my natal moon is in its detriment and Jupiter is my ruling planet, so maybe that's it?

Hi, I just now read this thread, and then read the latest Visual Astrology Newslettre (from Bernadette Brady) and then came back here because this might also explain "Jovial Malfunctioning"...
Bernadette mentions the "Nibiru-phase" of Jupiter: when Jupiter near dawn seems to go and culminate ("rip the sky"!) but before he can do that, is obliterated by the light of the Rising Sun: this means that Jupiter cannot fulfill his promise, and so the voyage should become more important than reaching the goal in life.
In the newslettre is explained how to check if you have a Nibiru-Jupiter in your chart: turn your chart so that the Sun is placed about 8-10? under the ascendant; if Jupiter then is in the 10th house, going towards culmination, you have it.
I don't have data for BB's site but I am sure you can find it by googling on her name or on Visual Astrology Newsletter. All of them are archived so if you want to read it you can find it there!

Here are a couple recent forum examples of Jupiter as possible bad boy. They don't prove anything and don't suffice to pin the blame completely on Jupiter. They're merely the sort of thing to keep in mind in case you come across other examples. They both involve Jupiter opposed the ASC, or conjunct the DESC ? your preference.

On May 9th, '09 geodorn wrote in another thread:

I dislocated my shoulder this morning . . . . maybe I should have checked the transits . . . Moon trine moon . . . plus separating opposition Jup to Asc. And not a single other transit in the sky except some really slow outer planets.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... c&start=60



In Steven's accident example transiting Jupiter was also opposed the natal ASC. That one involved a natal Mars-ASC conjunction. Jupiter had made it's 2nd opposition hit to both in September and then turned direct in November, about 3 weeks after the late October accident, moving on to the 3rd hit in January.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

I was let go from my job when Jupiter was exactly opposite my Sun and Venus in my sixth house. Even though it was an opposition, I really thought that it wouldn't be so devastating but I was wrong.

Debbie Clarke wrote:I was let go from my job when Jupiter was exactly opposite my Sun and Venus in my sixth house. Even though it was an opposition, I really thought that it wouldn't be so devastating but I was wrong.

Many years ago, getting fired from my job in spectacular fashion was what propelled me into my true career as a writer. I'd been writing for years but getting nowhere when I tried to publish because I was copying other people's writing.

After the firing, I was so mad I scribbled a furious manuscript warning people about the idiots in the business I was in and ended up a year or so later with a modest niche bestseller that was the beginning of a 24 year career as a writer. I'm still publishing with even brighter prospects now.

Had the job gone well, I'd have never made that change since I was making very good money.

So it is probably too soon to know if your firing might set the stage for your eventual and much desired good fortune.

As Cornelia's experience demonstrates, many times Jupiter brings the proverbial "blessing in disguise." Getting fired from the limiting job is a classic Jupiter maneuver. Jupiter's agenda is room to grow and if you don't have it, look out for those Jupiter transits.

Zeus was a capricious and often dangerous god.

Tara

I do agree with what you are both saying but what is the opportunity? Now I am going through Pluto transit so so. Years ago I became homeless with my children. Because of that I ended up in a Women's Research project on homeless and had many opportunities because of it. I know God has something in mind for me but I don't know what.

Debbie Clarke wrote:I do agree with what you are both saying but what is the opportunity? Now I am going through Pluto transit so so. Years ago I became homeless with my children. Because of that I ended up in a Women's Research project on homeless and had many opportunities because of it. I know God has something in mind for me but I don't know what.

That's the Pluto part. If you already knew what, you wouldn't need to go through the destruction of existing [thought] structures it brings.

We grow when forced and there is no way around this. The main thing is that you know you are dealing with a Pluto transit, so you know things will be tough and you ARE being forced to let go of things that have outlived their usefulness. But Pluto transits take time to unfold. The faith helps you get through them, but there's no intellectual way around the experience to the outcome.