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yuzuru
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, Mark
I think this discussion is starting to get repetitive.
I already adressed this point when I commented on the fact that the oath could have been taken before the term began.
So, if you donīt agree, please feel free to not, as I think that I already made my point, and anyone interested can agree with me or not, so I donīt need to "insist" in anything, everyone can make their own mind and I really donīt need to convince anybody.
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unique_astrology
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:04 am Post subject: JFK Oath |
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| A study of John Kennedy's taking of the oath vs noon might provide an answer. Kennedy took the oath at 12:51 pm, EST, Jan 20, 1961 in Washington, D.C., he was assassinated at 12:30 pm, CST, on Nov 22, 1963 in Dallas, TX. |
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Andrew Bevan
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| MarkC wrote: | | I agree with Tom that this wedding analogy used by Andrew and yourself is really spurious to the question at hand. Lets put it to rest please its not relevant here. |
I did apply an election chart to my own Wedding to foreshaddow a future change in life and fortune beyond imagination.
There may be a tendency to get lost in the theory. Let's not forget to do the astrology. Thank you, unique_astrology, for providing relevant data! 
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margherita
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Andrew Bevan wrote: |
I did apply an election chart to my own Wedding to foreshaddow a future change in life and fortune beyond imagination. ' |
If so, you should tell if marriage was succesfull or not....
as every woman, I'm more interested in love more than war or presidents, but I think men cannot understand
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Andrew Bevan
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Re. applying an election chart for the moment of entering marriage | Gjiada wrote: | | If so, you should tell if marriage was succesfull or not.... |
Or the fruits of that marriage... In the same way as an inaguartion chart may be examined to discover the visions and fruits of a presidency.
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I'll just pop my head above the turret for a minute and say that five minutes one way or another, may not make much of a difference, unless the moon was in very late degrees or the ascendant about to change. Not having looked at a chart yet, I don't know.
Having said that, a pundit on television had this to say (and I'll paraphrase): that he found it interesting that for five minutes, Joe Biden was Bush's vice president.
So this shows, possibly, that the ritual itself is seen, in the eyes of the public, as the 'real' reckoning of the ascent of a President, no matter what the law has to say...
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margherita
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Gunhilde wrote: | | I'll just pop my head above the turret for a minute and say that five minutes one way or another, may not make much of a difference, unless the moon was in very late degrees or the ascendant about to change. Not having looked at a chart yet, I don't know. |
Moon changes sign from Scorpio to Sagittarius at 12:30 according my Solar Fire.
And about Ascendant for 12:00 we have 14.03 Taurus, for 12:05 15.46 Taurus, and 12:06 16.06 Taurus.
In the first case Ascendant is in Mercury terms, then in Jupiter ones.
But if we rectify a little with images of stars I prefer the 16th degree, i.e. 12:05.
In fact from Book of Paranatellonta (Vat. Reg. 1283): A man sitting on a donkey arises with the 16th degree. Who is born in this degree will be a knight ready to forgive and doing good for people.
And the donkey is the Democrats' animal, isn'it?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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LOL Well I'm a woman who tends to be more interested in Presidents and war, they are more predictable than love and less painful! IMO (insert humor here)
Besides Andrew is Still Married(last I heard) so how can he tell you whether or not it is successful until it ends?
I've looked at the Data, seems to me the 12:51 is more relevant, now how do I input a spreadsheet?
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PS yes the Donkey is the Democrats sigel.
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| Gjiada wrote: |
And about Ascendant for 12:00 we have 14.03 Taurus, for 12:05 15.46 Taurus, and 12:06 16.06 Taurus.
In the first case Ascendant is in Mercury terms, then in Jupiter ones.
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I also noticed that the chart made for 12:00 has the evil fixed star Menkar on the Ascendant. Menkar is at 14.27 Taurus these days. If we allow the usual orb for fixed stars of one degree both the chart of 11:58 for vice-president Biden and the chart for president Obama narrowly escape it. Let's hope this is the case.
This is what Robson writes about this star:
'It causes disease, disgrace, ruin, injury from beasts, sickness, and loss of fortune
If rising: Legacies and inheritances attended by much evil'
One could of course make a case of Robson's interpretation of Menkar rising, but let's hope Menkar will stay clear of this new presidential term now.
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granny_skot
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I wouldn't be the only one to say they had inherrited some Evil Legacies! but one hopes they will fix them!
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granny_skot
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The Oath of office lacks so much Import that Obama had it Readministered today... wonder what the time was.... Granny
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_oath_do_over
WASHINGTON Chief Justice John Roberts has administered the presidential oath of office to Barack Obama for a second time just to be on the safe side.
The unusual step came after Roberts flubbed the oath a bit on Tuesday, causing Obama to repeat the wording differently than as prescribed in the Constitution.
White House counsel Greg Craig said Obama took the oath from Roberts again out of an "abundance of caution."
The chief justice and the president handled the matter privately in the Map Room on Wednesday night. |
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| According to CNN's website, the second oath-taking took place at 7:35 PM EST Wednesday evening (1-21-09), before several witnesses from the press. |
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Giving a 00Virgo 27 Asc, reflecting the Detail oriented nature of the event.
and a 25 Taurus 33 MC, a tad close to Algol there,
SAturn in the first house, gives a very hard work ethic attitude. Retrograde, having to undo things,
Venus uranus in 7th, Venus Exalted
Pluto Mars Mercury in 5th... terring down and rebuilding primary education? maybe?
Sun in 5th but very close to 6th cusp so possibly read in 6th,
though child health care bill signed so possibly reflects that strattling of two houses.
Jupiter, NN, Chiron and Neptune all in 6th
gee wounded healer in the 6th who would have thought it...
being aquarian wonder if it means great strides in Medicine?
Moon in middle of 4th
well Mother in Law living in the white house with them, could well represent that... hmmmm well I think the 12:05 one was fairly decent but this definitely brings up ideas...
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Andrew Bevan
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Obama give oath for a second time
Due John G. Roberts reading the wrong oath and getting a word wrong during the inagurational cermony, Obama gave his oath a 2nd time at the White House, time 19.45, Jan. 21 (02.25 GMT Jan. 22). While this says something about the symbolic importance of the oath, I would say that with Mercury retrograde this was more like a second checking of the papers. Obama made no mistake. Personally, I go for the first time. No change, I just find this interesting.
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