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I have been told that children really do behave as the astrology cookbooks say they do. For instance Saturn in 5th house kids are alone in the school playground.

Matthew

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Sorry, can't agree with that last comment.
My younger son has 5th saturn and always has playmates in the playground. I've asked him and his teachers and have observed him myself...because..
My elder son has saturn in 1st and used to complain about being alone at playtime. He didn't find a group until about 3 years into school but has a solid crew now.

Did any useful books turn up?

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Did any useful books turn up?
I have no children of my own but I know several other astrologers with children seem to rate the books of the American astrologer Gloria Star. In particular her book Astrology & Your Child: A Handbook for Parents. You can pick up a second hand copy very cheaply on Amazon.com.

Personally, unless its children of relatives I try to keep clear of this area. Its a potential minefield. :???:

As Yuzuru pointed out parents often just want to hear good things about themselves + little Johhny/Joanna. Going against that tendency is not going to win thanks from many parents. Especially, if they appear to be part of the problem!

What do you say when the chart indicates really difficult or estranged parenting? I saw this once before from a beaming couple who wanted the chart of their daughter done. I could tell from the chart it wouldn't last and the parents would separate. Thats a fairly mild example....

I am reluctant to get into that kind of situation again. However, for braver souls good luck.

Mark
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

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There's an awful lot that can show up in a child's chart - the death of a sibling or a parent being the most obvious. This becomes even more apparent when you look at the charts of siblings, and both or all charts are pointing to the same thing. For this reason, I only do charts for children whose parents I have done charts for. Even then, I'm a little leary.

I get apprehensive when the parents know little or nothing about astrology. I have looked at charts of siblings in one instance where a parent was very concerned about the health of a sick child, but I did it in trade and did not accept money for it. The parent was a psychic, but this makes little difference when its your own kid in some cases.

In some instances, I have asked for birth data on families, and then promised to take "a quick look" on everyone. A lot more shows up in some cases than I am willing to go into.

I don't go in for the "child-like" interpretations of behavior based on the natal (Saturn in the 5th House means loneliness on the playground, and that sort of thing). Too often, it's inaccurate. Its a nice way to sell books geared toward parents, but I don't think of it as "real" astrology. I realize this is just my opinion.

Think about some possible scenarios for a moment, and I think readers will see there are a lot of potential minefields. Let's say you are approached by a parent who just had a Pluto-in-Capricorn baby, and there are five planets in Capricorn the 6th House (of Health), and Pluto is going to transit all of the remaining four in childhood. What would YOU say to the parent?
All I know is that if my birth chart was a horary, the answer would be "No".

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PallasAthene wrote:Sorry, can't agree with that last comment.
My younger son has 5th saturn and always has playmates in the playground. I've asked him and his teachers and have observed him myself...because..
My elder son has saturn in 1st and used to complain about being alone at playtime. He didn't find a group until about 3 years into school but has a solid crew now.

Did any useful books turn up?
but what are the quality of those friends? Kids who get made fun of all the time, are constantly surrounded by kids on the playground.. and those kids making fun of them.
I got made fun of all the time, and "children" were constantly around me.
they weren't playing they were beating me up, and taking my stuff.

even with friends, the child could still wind up feeling abandoned, or like they have no friends because they are superficial.

But then when does childhood stop? These could be even things effecting you in highschool, college, and to some extent the work place, based on when you decide to mature your self.

a 40 year old man, can still be a child.

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niplan wrote:a 40 year old man, can still be a child.
Too right!!! Or woman, to be fair ; )

Well we all know one placement doesn't maketh the person.

Niplan, I'm sorry to hear about your experience, thats tough. I might expect to see a 12th house moon or a connection to neptune? Even libra mars? An inability to assert oneself. (Actually, I realise I've just described my own chart, and my own childhood was very solitary..) Do you have 5th house saturn? Is that what you associate with the bullying?

My 5th house saturn child has libra moon.. so he is naturally sociable, and it's in the 8th, so I trust that he has the emotional depth to work out for himself who is worth having as a friend and who isn't. And we talk about the subject of bullying. It's a pretty big subject in schools right now.. Anti-Bullying Week etc, and rightly so.

Now the 1st house saturn son has scorpio moon in the 7th.... So he's deep but he wants to socialise. Tough when everyone else is just shallow (or 5?). If you saw their charts you would know they were brothers by the number of similar parallels.

We all carry the child inside us. Freud called it the Id. For sensitive parents who want their children to be best they can possibly be, I really believe Astrology is a useful tool. I don't mean that from a place of pressure.. nefariously living out the parents lost hopes.. but to become successful adults, by their own (the grown child's) definition of success.
After all, our children are not us, they are separate and we get to know them over time. In fact, they teach us! About unconditional love. With some forewarning/guidance to talents, traits, or even places where we as parents are going wrong, the next generation must benefit? I can understand why it can be a minefield for practicing astrologers tho.

Anyway, off the soapbox now : )

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Sunny Dawn wrote:Let's say you are approached by a parent who just had a Pluto-in-Capricorn baby, and there are five planets in Capricorn the 6th House (of Health), and Pluto is going to transit all of the remaining four in childhood. What would YOU say to the parent?
If you mean the baby will die, then all the babies born in that time frame and lattitude will die too. Well, that's not going to happen. Unless you are prediciting a plague.

Sorry, I know what you're getting at.

Pluto is a very adult planet about power and transformation... maybe those kids will be extra fiesty, talk back, shout a lot, cry really loud, boss their siblings and parents about...maybe they discover sex early?

Pluto has just started transiting my 6th.. am I a gonner? Truth now!