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Deb
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Data - Barack Obama Reply with quote



Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States of America

Please use this thread a place to store data as we learn of it and as it happens (ie, keep astrological and political discussion out of here, to ensure that the data is easily accessible). The charts show Placidus house cusps

Obama’s birth chart


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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Victory & inauguration Reply with quote

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Look at the hour of the withdrawing of the king whose entrance you came to know, or at the time in which the kingdom will receive [his] last will and testament, or at his question. And from these you will know the quantity of his period in the role, and whatever would be in it for him. And from the hour of his confirmation and election is known his honour and victory.
(Sahl. On Times, ‘12: The chapter of the tenth sign on the king, from the sayings of Masha’allah’; Dykes, p.236)


Realisation of win (Obama was in Chicago):
10:00 pm CST (+6 hrs) Chicago, 4th November, 2008
(times below use GMT as reported by BBC news)

    From BBC news:
    “Mr Obama captured the key battleground states of Pennsylvania and Ohio, before breaking through the winning threshold of 270 electoral college votes at 0400 GMT, [5th November, 2009] when projections showed he had also taken California and a slew of other states.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2008/vote_usa_2008/default.stm

    Another BBC source quotes 4:04 am GMT:
    0404 The Big Enchilada, California, with a whopping 55 electoral votes, has propelled Obama to victory! The Democrat has also notched up a seismic win in Virginia; a truly epochal result. Virginia contains Richmond, once the capital of the Confederate slave states; it hasn't voted for a Democrat since 1964. This is a state where, as recently as 1961, Obama's parents' mixed marriage would have been ruled illegal.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7710163.stm



    http://www.skyscript.co.uk/im/forum/barack_win.gif



Delivery of victory address:
11:00 pm CST (+6 hrs) Chicago, 4th November, 2008; or:

    5:00 am GMT, (using BBC sources the times are again GMT, for 5th November 2008)

    0501 Obama says: "If there's anyone out there who still doubts whether America is a place where all things are possible, tonight is your answer."
    0459 America's new First Family walks on stage. Barack Obama with his wife Michelle and two daughters Malia and Sasha.
    0458 Obama has arrived at Grant Park in Chicago and is on stage to address a delirious crowd.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7700298.stm



Inauguration as President

According to tradition, the inauguration will take place in Washington at 12:00 pm EST (+5hrs) on 20th January 2009.



There is an interesting website which reports ‘Presidential Inaugural Weather’ and which includes comments on how this may or may not reflect events within the presidency: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/Historic_Events/Inauguration/Inauguration.html


If anyone wants to comment on the indications of the inauguration, please start a new thread. You can include any of these charts in other threads by placing the image address (given underneath each image) inside the gif tags of your post: [img][/img]
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was seeing TV (CNN) when writing:"Barack Obama Elected President". The Time was:04:00 GMT in Atlanta!!!
ASC=01º58'Leo;MH=22º02'Aries!!! and MOON=01º59'Aquarius
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mario

We are using the same time but I set the chart for Chicago, Obama's home town, which was where he was at the time - hence there is a slight difference in angles to that drawn at Atlanta. Is there a reason why I should choose Atlanta instead?

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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Deb!!!
Because the Headquartel CNN is in Atlanta!!!, CNN was the Firts Media that it gave News.
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would stick to Chicago. That is where the event is happening, more than were it is being reported. It would be like a team of doctors monitoring a childbirth across the internet. The doctors would make their observations in various locations, but would relate to the place of the child.
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would never use Atlanta. The world isn't cheering for CNN!

Chicago works for looking at Obama himself and for comparing an event chart to his natal chart in consideration of his life and achievements.

But for what the event means to the US and the world (the world reaction has been pretty awesome) I would use a chart for 11:00 pm EST in Washington, DC. This has been a major collective event; to catch the larger essence I think we need to move over to Washington. The name 'Washington, DC' now carries much meaning and significance – good and bad – for people in every corner of the world. This has been a Washington event just as much as or more than an Obama event, with Washington as a symbolic center.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the whole world watching CNN!!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CNN was only the messenger.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are watching CNN from your own living room... I think this part of the discussion will be moderated when we all have expressed our opinion. I have no objection to the discussion, but I think we should follow the guidelines that Deb gave along with her initial post and stick to providing data.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the whole world watching CNN!!!


Were we, or were we watching Obama? I realise that there will be different views about the best locality. I thought about Washington myself, but I'll leave the chart as it is and let the follow up discussion give the details of alternatives. I think it's appropriate to have discussion about data in this thread, although we could perhaps trim some of it later, when ideas have been talked through a little. I'm grateful for the discussion actually, because I did wonder where best to set that chart.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may pipe in again...

I'm all for the Chicago chart when looking at Obama's life astrologically, and I understood that this was specifically a thread about Obama. I was looking at future discussions, especially in a context of mundane astrology. Then I think Washington steps in. I was concerned about this setting a pattern, that Chicago would be the location chosen for mundane charts concerning the election and the change of American politics and policies. Of course others might disagree with me concerning the use of Washington rather than Chicago for mundane work, to which I can only say 'How dare you!'.Gobsmacked
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SIDERUM wrote:
the whole world watching CNN!!!

The announcement was made simultaneously by several networks, so I wouldn't take CNN's Atlanta location as particularly significant. Plus, I agree with Deb that Obama is the centerpiece of the chart, not the location of the news announcers (the messengers).
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm grateful for the discussion actually, because I did wonder where best to set that chart.


Hi, Deb

At least to me, you yourself have answered this in the sports forum:

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Well, just what you said really. It's a fumbling approach based on my view that the chart is for an event at that time, at that place, and that the 'spirit' of the place is characterised by the home team. I can understand the argument about giving the asc to the favourites, and I do have respect for that, but at the moment this is the perspective that resonates the strongest.


So I would stick to Chicago for what is worth. If the chart should be set in Washington it would have been placed in washington.

Of course I am not really sure if this kind of charts are really important in astrological prediction, but this is my take on this.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The inaugeration will take place in Washington DC,so for that chart one would look at DC. But Obama ran his entire campain out of chicago and that is significant because people generally move presidential campains to Washington or to New York (which was where George Washington held office, the white house wasn't built yet) for the winning of the election I would think that 'Where' the canididate was and where he gave his speech (in this case chicago, for McCain Phoenix) Would be where the Action was centered? on the person?

JFK was assasinated in Texas, an INTERNATIONAL incident! I dont think you would look at that chart for DC or for the BBC or CBS(California) would you? the action happened for/with/too that person ergo you look at that location.

I would think? yes?
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