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US Birth chart - Directed for this election

 
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RC



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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: US Birth chart - Directed for this election Reply with quote

Birth Chart of US: 5:10 PM Phil. Pa., July 4 - 1776 with Solar Arc Directed chart for Nov. 4 - 2008 , 5:10 PM.

Chart has the directed chart on inner wheel.

Uranus which was in 6th house in birth chart has now moved into the 10th house and is conjunct Saturn.

This looks like this election either brings a new, radical change for this country (1st African American president who many think want to move this country towards socialism) or could it mean that the there will be an unexpected election result? There have been threats of riots in the streets if BO does not win.

Will be interesting to see!

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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Uranus which was in 6th house in birth chart has now moved into the 10th house and is conjunct Saturn.


It's nowhere near the angle so I wouldn't see that as being particularly significant.
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Uranus which was in 6th house in birth chart has now moved into the 10th house and is conjunct Saturn.


It's nowhere near the angle so I wouldn't see that as being particularly significant.


It has to be near the angle to be significant? What if that took it away from the planet's degree?

Also, I noted that this year gives it a fixed cross with critical degree on the MC. Could that mean party in power, stays in power? But then again, Ivy always said a critical degree brings things to a head.
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think you can really use a time for July 4th, since the document was voted on but not signed until August 1st. Vote would probably have been mid morning, not late afternoon, but all that is supposition.

even when Constitution was signed I think is difficult to pin down a time.

or could you say signing or ratifying of Paris Peace treaty?

July fourth is definitely a spiritual birth for US, we all Identify with it, but time is definitely questionable.

my .02

main planets of course you can progress and I'd like to note that PSun is Trine natal Jupiter and PMercury is trine natal sun, surely both good things.
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe this is the most common chart used for US granny.
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It has to be near the angle to be significant? What if that took it away from the planet's degree?


Sorry, maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but I don't understand what you are asking.
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It has to be near the angle to be significant? What if that took it away from the planet's degree?


Sorry, maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but I don't understand what you are asking.


Maybe I'm the one who missed something. Smile

Okay, you mean it would need to be near the cusp of 10th to be significant?

My point was that Saturn wasn't on the angle and it was conjuncting Saturn.

btw, When Uranus entered US's 10th house, was the 2000 election. Remember that one?

2004 was a little unusual in that all the polls were wrong about him winning.

Uranus has moved closer now and is conjoining Saturn so I would think it continues the unpredictable events.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC, doesn't make it correct.

I've been playing with it for a long long time, I've only found the planets and sun to measure correct, moon doesn't, and the angles on the 5:10 pm sure dont either.

Of course the committee to draft the declaration was drafted on June 28th, 1776, I believe there is a time for that one.... hmmmm might work out even better.

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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC wrote:
Chart has the directed chart on inner wheel.

Uranus which was in 6th house in birth chart has now moved into the 10th house and is conjunct Saturn.


This is an interesting way of looking at a constitutional chart, RC, and your thinking is quite good, but I am not sure whether the directional technique is applied in the right manner allowing your deductions to make absolute sense. When working with the national chart of Norway my experience has been that transits were more pronounced in effect than directions. However, the solar arc directions should be examined and as an exercise, this entry is excellent!

You observe that Uranus, who is in the radix 6th and conjunct the cusp of the radix 7th, is in the directional 10th. You say that Uranus has moved into the 10th house, but I would like to point out that it is the 10th house you are moving and not Uranus. I am not used to directing entire houses in this manner, but if you do then the radix Uranus enters the 10th house from the 11th because you are holding the 'natal' chart as stationary and directing by Solar Arc according to the flow of the zodiac (counter clockwise). The Solar Arc direction of the MC, which is currently 21TA45, will be conjunct the radix Uranus at 8GE55 in roughly 17 years time. My opionion is that this direction still needs to mature before being entered into any interpretation and I would not do this before the MC was directed to the sign of Gemini - in 8 years time.

Saturn, who is in the 10th house of the constitutional chart, will be directed to the body of Uranus in 3 1/2 years time - so also here I would that that things were on the build rather than in effect.

However, I do like examining charts in this fashion. Would you like to relate to any event that has occured in the past that developed according to Solar Arc directions. Ie. if a relevant planet move from one direction to another for the time the Vietnam war lasted, or anything similar - then that would be very interesting indeeed.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Andrew:
I'll get back to you on that. But look at the year 2000! That was the year Uranus was turned to the 10th house and remember how crazy that was ? We had the US Supreme Court decide the election essentially. It was nearly a year later they actually found that the difference in vote count came down to about 500+.

I'd say that turning the charts that way was descriptive.

Then too, look at the year that Nixon took office turning the charts that way. He had Mars moving onto the ASC. We had the Vietnam war to deal with over the course of his presidency which dominated.

Then Carter: It put Venus near his ASC in 1st, but 00 degrees on 1st. A time of peace after the war had ended but he was our most ineffectual president (00 degrees on his ASC - he accomplished little!) Couldn't even get our hostages released.

On a personal note though, I'll get back to you. Very Happy

RC
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC wrote:
Birth Chart of US: 5:10 PM Phil. Pa., July 4 - 1776 with Solar Arc Directed chart for Nov. 4 - 2008 , 5:10 PM.


The following use that same chart. They are that chart's secondary progressions (Q2), (Mean Quotidian angle progression) to Nov 4 at 11:00pm, EST for Philadelphia, PA and 10:00 pm, CST for Chicago, IL with the transits for that date and time around them. The time is an approximation for when McCain may have called Obama to acknowledge Obamas' victory.

The Full Moon in the progressed Sibly chart may be an indicator of the historic election.









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