The Papacy & Sexual Abuse Scandals 1 by Mark Over the last few years there have been numerous sexual abuse scandals involving Roman Catholic priests. In particular scandals in the USA, Australia and most recently Ireland. These scandals have seriously damaged the reputation of the Roman Catholic Church in many countries. Not least because it appears the Roman Catholic hierarchy was frequently aware of the perpetrators action but failed to act or relocated the perpetrator in privacy rather than involving the Police. The issue now seems to have have come home to affect the Papacy itself with allegations now made against Pope Benedict XVI himself that he failed to act effectively in such case reported to him in 1985. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8612457.stm Its a troubling time for the Papacy and Roman Catholics in many countries. I have therefore put up a few charts that seem worth studying. Firstly, the Aries Ingress chart for the Vatican City. Secondly, the chart of the Vatican state. Thirdly, the natal chart for Pope Benedict XVI. Of course due its proximity the Italian Aries Ingress chart centred on Rome is identical to that of the Vatican city. Its interesting that the chart has Saturn, Pluto, Mercury and the Sun angular in the chart. You might also want to check out the chart for the Vatican state which came into legal existence in 1929: Here is the natal chart of Pope Benedict XVI: NB: This thread is not an excuse for anti-clerical rants against the Papacy or Roman Catholic Church. Last edited by Mark on Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:08 pm, edited 1 time in total. As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:34 pm
Re: The Papacy & Sexual Abuse Scandals 2 by margherita MarkC wrote: Firstly, the Aries Ingress chart for the Vatican City. Secondly, the chart of the Vatican state. Thirdly, the natal chart for Pope Benedict XVI. Of course due its proximity the Italian Aries Ingress chart centred on Rome is identical to that of the Vatican city. Its interesting that the chart has Saturn, Pluto, Mercury and the Sun angular in the chart. I cast another chart for the Ingress at 0:01 Aries (time 6:56 pm) according Albumasar Flores (translated by Ben Dykes) "Albumasar said you ought first the Lord of the Year, and the knowledge of this matter is known by the hour of the entrance of the Sun into the first minute of the sign of Aries " (page 9) So Saturn is more in the 12th house and the Sun definitely set in the 6th. This is for me another case of the planet against its hairesis, Saturn of the day sect being in angle in a night chart. And Mercury which is planet signifying the Catholic religion (cf. albumasar horoscope of religions) burned from the Sun, secrets. Both angular planets are not well placed, something to think about. About the Pope I think that he is a scholar, he is not inclined to keep the reins of the Church. We had the Vatican state already in the press in the past months because of some gossips about the former director of the Vatican newspaper, it looks like they directly come from Vatican rooms of some notable bishop. margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:39 pm
3 by Mark I cast another chart for the Ingress at 0:01 Aries (time 6:56 pm) according Albumasar Flores (translated by Ben Dykes) I looked at this post for a while before the penny finally dropped what you were getting at! "Albumasar said you ought first the Lord of the Year, and the knowledge of this matter is known by the hour of the entrance of the Sun into the first minute of the sign of Aries " (page 9) However, is this just Abu'Mashar or the general medieval approach to ingress charts? I dont have Ben Dykes book on this so would appreciate more on this point. Also how does Abu'Mashar determine the Lord of the year? Mark Here is the ingress chart using the method ascribed to Abu'Mashar As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:30 pm
4 by ### Wouldn't 00? ARI 00' 01'' already be within the first minute? Similarly, 00? ARI 01' is within the first degree of Aries. Quote Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:46 pm
5 by Mark I will let Margherita answer that one. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:52 pm
6 by Deb Hi Margherita, I agree with Kirk, "the entrance of the Sun into the first minute of the sign of Aries" - as soon as the Sun moves out of Pisces, it moves into the first minute of Aries. In any case the word ingress means 'to enter', so the symbolism is about the first discenable moment that the Sun returns to Aries. That is my understanding of what Albumasar is saying. Regards Deb Quote Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:40 pm
7 by Mark In any case the word ingress means 'to enter', so the symbolism is about the first discenable moment that the Sun returns to Aries. Phew! Thats a relief. I was worrying I might have to change all the Aries ingress charts on the site. Actually I have just found this article by Ben Dykes on delineating an Aries Ingress in the style of Abu'Ma'shar. The Sun in the chart is at 00:00 Aries. http://www.bendykes.com/articles/tsunami.php Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:46 pm
8 by margherita MarkC wrote:[Actually I have just found this article by Ben Dykes on delineating an Aries Ingress in the style of Abu'Ma'shar. The Sun in the chart is at 00:00 Aries. Sometimes you ask me questions I have no answer What Deborah and Kirk say makes sense and on the other hand the first minute of the sign is mentioned; really I don't know at this point. margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:02 am
9 by GR I think this has be brought up before, but it is a question of how one numbers. For we moderns, 00?01' of Aries is already the second minute of arc into Aries, as we start counting from 0 (meaning 00?00'00" to 00?59'59" is the range of the 1st degree of Aries, the second degree starts at 01? Aries); as it was the practice in earlier times to start counting from 1, then 00?01' of Aries would be the first minute of arc. Quote Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:18 pm
10 by margherita in every case, because Albumasar did not write in English, I checked the Latin version in Warburg digital library. He says "hora introitus solis in primum minutum signis Arietis"- This it's easy- even for me the time of the ingress of the Sun in the first minute of the sign of the Aries. What do you think? difficult matter.... margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:47 pm
11 by yuzuru Hi, Marguerita I adjust Janus for 0Aries0m1s as the time of the entrance into the first degree of Aries. But of course the difference is minimal. If you take Abu Mashar literally, and adjust to 0Aries1min, then the difference can very big, depending of course if a sign of quick ascension is on the horizon.... the difference (between ingress into the first minute or first second of degree) would be about 20 minutes (in time) give or take. Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:18 pm
12 by margherita yuzuru wrote: the difference (between ingress into the first minute or first second of degree) would be about 20 minutes (in time) give or take. Yes, I noticed this. Anyway I did not want open a Pandora box, (there is something in me inclined to this ). I just asked, but we can even discuss the chart for 0.00 Aries. Gabriel's one is an interesting point, because it shows how it's difficult to understand ancients' ways, we always use our modern mind. Mark? margherita Traditional astrology at http://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com Quote Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:26 pm