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Will Barack Obama win?
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RC



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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another interesting fact re: the horary posted above: I just took a look at McCain's chart from http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/McCainJohn.htm
and see that he has Libra (Venus) rising. I knew he was a Virgo. But interesting that in the horary, the opponent to Obama was Venus sitting with Mercury. Another confirmation of the correct turning of the chart.

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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC wrote:
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They were using day light savings time weren't they?

Actually not, according to Winstar's Atlas and also Doris Chase Doane's "Time Changes in the USA" which states that Hawaii did not observe Daylight Savings Time from 1946-1979.

So 7:24 pm gives him 18 Aquarius rising.

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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here's a look at Obama's natal in a biwheel to see the transits on day of election.


With so tight Transit South Node conjunction with natal Su I doubt he will win.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tara wrote:
RC wrote:
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They were using day light savings time weren't they?

Actually not, according to Winstar's Atlas and also Doris Chase Doane's "Time Changes in the USA" which states that Hawaii did not observe Daylight Savings Time from 1946-1979.

So 7:24 pm gives him 18 Aquarius rising.

Tara


Thanks Tara. I knew the chart looked better than I remembered from before. I should have trusted the software to know what it was doing.

I edited the bi wheel up above. This chart isn't as favorable as the other. This now puts the sun in his 6th house rather than angular and Jupiter is no longer near his Ascendant.

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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goca wrote:
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Here's a look at Obama's natal in a biwheel to see the transits on day of election.


With so tight Transit South Node conjunction with natal Su I doubt he will win.


Yes, not a good sign there.

Also, if you look across the chart from 7 to 1st, his natal Mars (which rules his MC) is between transiting Saturn and Uranus. Saturn conjuncts it, Uranus opposes it from his 1st And transiting Neptune is opposing natal Uranus (his co ruler of ASC) also from his 1st .

Now there must be some good indicators here... ?

Interesting that he accepted the nomination as North Node was right on his ASC in 18'.

RC


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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now there must be some good indicators here... ?


Sigh. Sad Yes, it's like looking for a golden needle in a bad news haystack.

McCain's prospects are decidedly better. On election day transiting moon is conjunct his moon which is currently receiving trine of his progressed midheaven ...

McCain's health however looks very dodgy with T. Saturn in 12 opp. Saturn in 6th and conjunct Venus, L8, from fall '08 to fall'09. Looks like if he wins, it'll be too much for him and our American friends will wind up with that wingnut from Alaska for President.

Sigh.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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.... and our American friends will wind up with that wingnut from Alaska for President.



Laughing LOL

So you're not American? Yet you're caught up in the passion of the race as well. Interesting!


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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The nodes to ASC are significant in both charts for the winner of the nomination. Obama's ASC conjucted the north node, where as McCain's ASC trined it.

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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tara:
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Looks like if he wins, it'll be too much for him and our American friends will wind up with that wingnut from Alaska for President.


Wingnut?? Her values are what this country was built on. I have no problem with people challenging these values but to paint her as a nut is misplaced, imo.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kali wrote:
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Looks like if he wins, it'll be too much for him and our American friends will wind up with that wingnut from Alaska for President.


Wingnut?? Her values are what this country was built on. I have no problem with people challenging these values but to paint her as a nut is misplaced, imo.


This is why I haven't stated who I'm rootin' for. You're going to have passionate views on both sides and it gets off the topic of astrology and trying to objectively analyze the chart.

Its not easy, I agree. Wink


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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is why I haven't stated who I'm rootin' for. You're going to have passionate views on both sides and it gets off the topic of astrology and trying to objectively analyze the chart.


Ok I accept this is another digression...... Very Happy


I do not agree McCain has made a mistake here. In fact I think having Sarah Palin as his running mate is a very astute move politically.

McCain has to achieve four major objectives to win in November:

1 He needs to persuade swing voters that he's willing to take on the Republican establishment.

2 He needs to persuade conservatives that he isn't too liberal on social issues

3 He needs to appeal to more female voters.

4 He needs a ticket that doesn't look too old and stuck in the past.

Sarah Palin seems ideal to fulfill 1-4. She may not attract die hard Hilary Clinton supporters but they were never the female demographic the Republicans were trying to attract anyway.

If I was a Republican my only anxiety would be a Vice-Presidential debate between her and Joe Biden that gets into Foreign policy issues. Smile


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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC wrote:
kali wrote:
Tara:
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Looks like if he wins, it'll be too much for him and our American friends will wind up with that wingnut from Alaska for President.


Wingnut?? Her values are what this country was built on. I have no problem with people challenging these values but to paint her as a nut is misplaced, imo.


This is why I haven't stated who I'm rootin' for. You're going to have passionate views on both sides and it gets off the topic of astrology and trying to objectively analyze the chart.

Its not easy, I agree. Wink


RC


Passionate views are fine. Resorting to name calling and insults is not, imo.

I've said my peace. Only astrology now.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here's a good place to blow off steam about the election: (be warned, they get quite brutal there)
http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/

And this is a great forum to discuss their astrological charts ! Very Happy



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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since so much talk is about whether Sarah Palin would be ready for the Presidency I asked as a horary question:

Would Palin make a good President?

Aug. 31, 2008
6:43 pm EDT
Aiken, SC
33N33'37
081W43'11

I used the free chart service at http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astrobot.cgi?Y and whatever house system it uses.

It looks good at first blush. North Node conj. Asc. Aquarius Asc. ruler Saturn in Virgo in 7th (accidental exaltation) trining Jupiter the ruler of 10th house. Jupiter in Capricorn in it's fall but it's ruler is Saturn Palin's ruler! She can deal well with the problems? Sun ruler of 7th conj. Saturn in 7th house? Interesting!

Does anyone see a glaring negative?
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone see a glaring negative?


Yes... she is only standing for Vice-President not President! Thumbs down

Isn't your question incredibly premature considering:

a) McCain has not (and may never) be elected President Surprised

b) McCain has not (and may never) die in office Shocked

Also keep in mind the notorious 'curse' of the Vice Presidency which means hardly any Vice-Presidents have ever succeeded in being elected by the people later as President. Thumbs down


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