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Yikkes!



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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Translation or Prohibition ??!! You wot ;-)) Reply with quote

Hi Folks,

I've been working on this chart for a friend of mine who has met a new Man.

There is some sort of block between them and I am trying to define what or who it is.

Here's the chart.

17th June 2008
11.01 am
Genolhac France

"Where's the problem btwn D and T ?"

I know the girl very well so I'm sort of looking over the situation for her.

She's Sun and he's Saturn and at first glance it looks fine. An applying sextile.

I've read that Saturn in the first house can mean that the chart is invalid but if we follow Deb's idea then I know that she's having a bit of a hard time just now but she's also fighting for what she thinks she needs. So Saturn and Mars around the Ascendant make sense.

However, Mars is on the SN and that also adds up as she tends to have a simplisitic view of things and that they should fall in to place without doing too much to achieve that.

So it looks OK until you spy Venus. Venus applying before the Sun

So we've got the question of exactly what is a prohibition ?

I'd say this is one.

The Sun is already applying to Saturn but Venus is going to get there first.

For a translation I feel that the two significators aren't in aspect until a third planet facilitates it.

However, I'm more interested to find out the characteristics of Venus.

Does Venus have to represent a person or could in this case relate to the Girls Public Status or Career ?

It might relate to her Neighbourhood or Schooling ?

In Earth Reality these are very possible blocks to this friendship developing.

Because Venus is in her House of Associations/ General friends it suggests somebody she knows is getting in the way.

If we turn the chart then the block is something to do with the relationship itself in his eyes. Or perhaps a Relationhip he still has apart from this one.

All commenyts gladly received including the one's that go "you've completely misread the chart".

Thanks,

H.

PS Finally, I asked Julie K for a few pointers on timing. Here we've got Sun in Gemini 11th applying to Saturn in Virgo 1st. So that's mutable succedant to mutable angle.

And the degrees are 5 and 7 respectively. I'd say that this matter will be concluded by 5 months/ weeks or about 3 months.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Yikkes, my advice here would be to find out what the *question* actually is. I.e. is it "Is there a romantic potential?" or is it "Why isn't he talking to me?" or what?

Clear question --> clear answer!

Keren
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry the question is

"Where is the problem btwn D and T ?"

She feels he's holding back for some reason she can't understand.

Of course it's easy enough to ask but who knows if he is well adjusted enough and honest with himself to answer it.

Any comments of the chart ?

H.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately that sounds like a "You should ask him" question!! My advice is to remind the querent that this chap is a human being, entitled to "hold back" whatever that may mean. My opinion is that I don't think it's right to use astrology to pry into someone's personal motivations when there is no real reason for doing so. If it were "Did he murder his last wife?" or "Is he a con man?" then ok, we can pry. But otherwise, we have to be adult about the situation and just communicate!!

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Girl's is clearly entitled to know if she is being taken for a ride.

"Heh mate are you taking me for a ride or are you a decent bloke?"

Oooooooooooppppppppps I don't think so.

Live in the real world.


Anyway it's clear that there is a third part or reason getting in the way.

I think it is to do with her Neighbourhood/ Schooling.

H.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like she needs to protect herself in this situation, if she doesn't trust her partner. I don't think horary is going to help the situation. She needs to look after herself and trust her instincts!
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything usefull to say about the chart ?
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presuming the girl asked the question !!
7th lord in 1st- the boy is interested but in other sign.Sun has to change signs before the sextile is perfect.Something has to change before anything can occur.Venus as the translator and 10th lord- it could be a career change.

I am not sure how it could be interpreted if it was just your curiosity.
Then it is 11th-5th question and represents the situation a bit better.
Mercury is retrograde, jupiter is in detriment and retrograde, there is no aspect.

The radical asc lord sun in 11th,shows your concern for her.

I would say, leave her alone,don't draw the chart again Very Happy

PD
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Pankajdubey.

I won't start the usual argument about drawing charts where you ask the question but because you closely related to the siutation you can assign the person you are "related to" the querant and the first house. Deb discusses this somewhere.

Thanks for the point about the change of sign by the Sun and in fact Venus.

Simply something related to the Girl has to change and does that mean from a Gemini view to a Cancer view ?

I think that would be too simple.

But often with Horary simple is the best I agree.

Because it's a day chart I assigned Venus to Libra in the 3rd which I think more refelcts the reality than the Career, but definitely that is an issue here as well.

It's a very interesting chart and a lot of very interesting information that I'll be able to tell her, about which she will be completely shocked and surprised. But in the end a lot wiser.

H.
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS ....

I'm stil interested in how people see a classic prohibition.

I'd say it's more when the significators are applying and from nowhere are faster moving planet exacts with one of them before the other can.

In this case there are two planets applying in sextile. So it's a bit like the Boy would like to have the friendship with the Girl but something is more important.

As Venus is appying to him and not here I'd say it's his Libra on his 9th house. So that would rule Travel, Higher Experiences, which again makes sense ....

He's not looking for a restrictive situation.

H.
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