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Football Predictions 1-17 December 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Football Predictions 1-17 December 2007 Reply with quote

December predictions start here Thumbs up

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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chelsea - Westham Saturday Dec 1. time: 12.45
A definate home? Chelsea are both favourites and at home, and I'm still licking my sores from the lesson taught Rosenborg on Wednesday. Shocked

The charts puts 4Pisces on the Asc with the North Node. Jupiter is elevated in the chart in the 10th. Fortuna is disposed by Jupiter.

South node on the Desc and Moon conj. Saturn in 7th, square the Sun - couldn't possibly be an advantage for the guests. I wouldn't value the aspect through signs long ascension up against the weighty planets of the 7th here. Conclusion: The East makes Ham of the West?

I'm still feeling more comfortable with the horary and am feeling rather a novice with the event chart. Are there any games being played at this time where the visiting team still stands a chance?
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know what to make of the chart. The partile aspects between Sun, Saturn and Moon look potent. All I can tell you is that that is the only match played at 12:45.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another interesting game is Sundays match between AstonVilla - Arsenal at 17.15. Am I right in assuming Asc 2CN11 MC25AQ49 Part of Sprit (nocturnal) 15AR37
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the chart looks interesting. At a first glance, Arsenal look a bit iffy. I'll study the chart and will probably come back tomorrow.

I've got the same AC as yours but the MC is at 24 AQ48 and the Part of Spirit is at 3 Aries 31. I calculated the Part of Spirit manually so I may be wrong.
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Oops! I thought that game was to be played on Sunday - but you are perfectly right!

Asc 1CN17 MC 24AQ47 Sun 9SG08 Moon 11VI17 and Part of Spirit(nocturnal) 3AR26

Now Moon in Virgo is Birmingham. With Cancer on the Ascendant, does this make Villa the home team? Mercury is trine the Part of Spirit(nocturnal) from Sag. That looks Villa, too. I would look for Aries to try and located Arsenal - Part of Spirit(n) is in Aries, but disposed by Mars in Cancer (the home and defending team?)

Ruler of the Asc and Des are joined in Virgo in the 4th house. Does this mean a 0-0 result, or do we give Moon the advantage from the point of her being in her triplicity?

Does the Sun, who is lord of the 4th and intercepted in cadent 6th, being square both lord of Asc and Des, disturb the result?
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've looked at the charts.
First, the Chelsea/W Ham match can be a draw.

As for the Villa/Arsenal match, I see no testimony for Arsenal. Come to that, no strong testimony for Villa either. I always give the home team AC. If we follow JF's suggestion to use the Moon's dispositor, Mercury trines the antiscion of the POF(reversed) but that may not be enough to beat Arsenal.

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Does the Sun, who is lord of the 4th and intercepted in cadent 6th, being square both lord of Asc and Des, disturb the result?

Aspects involving lords of 4 and 10 are usually not that important especially because in this case the aspects are separating and the Sun isn't placed strongly enough to influence the game.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I think Chelsea will beat West Ham
With a smaller stake I think I'll go for a draw between Villa and Arsenal. Lords of Asc and Des are joined in the 4th. The dispositors of the Asc and Des by exaltation are equally below the horizon.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I just check something please? For Chelsea game I have 9 Pisces on Asc, which puts Moon and Saturn in 6th.

Jupiter in 10th looks good for Chelsea. According to JF, Moon conj Desc and squaring PoF would be two testimonies for the underdog, West Ham. It will be interesting to see what happens. London derbies often throw up strange results.

Villa v Arsenal is a difficult one. 4th house planets are notoriously unreliable. They may give Arsenal the edge, but I think a draw is the more likely outcome.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you've got the right chart. I've looked at the chart again and now am not as sure as I was yesterday that it'll be a draw. The Moon being in the degree Saturn is in may be modified by the Sun and it's immediately applying to Mars.

It's embarrassing but I'll have to quote myself.
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I always give the home team AC.

Except when there are several matches kicking off at the same time such as 15:00 oclock EPL matchs. For such games Goca's colour method seems to work best.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Moon being in the degree Saturn is in will be modified by the Sun and it's immediately applying to Mars.


Gem, I'm probably being a bit thick here but I don't quite see how this is relevant. Could you explain a bit further please?

I agree with you re allocation of the Asc, but I'd still take note of who is favourite, whether they are the home or away team. This certainly had an effect when I was tracking Moon/PoF aspects last season.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd probably read my post before I made alterations (I deleted a few sentences and added a new one).
When the Moon is in partile aspect to Saturn, the game often ends in a draw but in this case the Sun is between them and the Moon is immediately translating the light to Mars, which may produce some result(possibly for faves), although Mars isn't ruling any of the angles.

And I'd be grateful if you could explain a bit further about the relation between faves and Moon/POF aspects, please? Very Happy

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I'd still take note of who is favourite, whether they are the home or away team

Yes that's certainly important though I admit I haven't been seriously following 1500 matches.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will have to get the pedles adjusted on my computor Shocked
The correct ascendant for the Chelsea-WestHam match is 9 Pisces.
That puts Moon & Saturn on the cusp of the 7th

If the Asc is either the home team or the favourite, there should not be much doubt here. The home teams are naturally in advantage. Measuring up which definitions should apply is interesting.

Moon and Saturn are both peregrine on the desc and the lord therof, Mercury, is detriment. The return for a home victory in Chelsea-West Ham is 1,3:1, while a draw in Aston Villa - Arsenal gives 3,25:1.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I'd be grateful if you could explain a bit further about the relation between faves and Moon/POF aspects, please?


Using Moon square PoF as an example, this is what I found. It's not enough on its own to turn over an odds-on fave playing at home. Away team odds-on fave produces a draw. Home team fave (not odds-on) also a draw. Away team fave (not odds-on) - fave loses.

This is not conclusive by any means and obviously other chart factors (if any) will have an influence. It was because of these other factors that I gave up tracking the various testimonies. Too many variables!

Even looking at the Chelsea match, I could make a case for all possible outcomes.

Chelsea win - Jupiter in 10th overrules everything else and is enough for odds-on fave home team to win.

West Ham win - kudos to JF (and maybe effect of Pluto on Jupiter).

Draw - Jupiter in 10th and Moon square PoF cancel each other out.

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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm wondering how the Mars teams (whoever they are) in the 3pm games will do today. Mars is still very weak, but perhaps the Moon's sextile will make a difference?
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