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Football Predictions November 2007
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Ficina
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would expect Rosenborg to appear in their traditional white tops and black shorts, which wouldn't interfere with Chelsea wearing blue


That's exactly what I would have expected too but, as I said, according to the club, Chelsea will be wearing yellow or white - most probably yellow.

I'm not sure if we can rely on the referee, but if he favours anyone, let's hope it's Rosenborg and Liverpool (who are also at home tomorrow) Very Happy
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a dirty trick played by Chelsea!!

Why - yellow and white will serve at a camouflage against the yellow grass and white snow! Sick
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ficina wrote:
I don't see anything else going on in the chart, so I would say, yes, the Asc team wins.


Uranus applying opposition Antiscion Fortuna in 1 deg 26, this happens before Moon Trine Sun. JF: "Aspects to the Fortuna are Final". Advantage Underdogs.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the chart for the Rosenborg-Chelsea match. Trondheim lies but a few degrees from the Arctic Circle. Not all charts at this extreme latitude get into a twist.

http://www.astronor.com/RBK1.gif

The Part of Spirit is 13AR47. [Changed for a nocturnal chart].
There is no conflict in jugdement if you give the Part of Spirit precedence above the Part of Fortune in a nocturnal chart. The Part of Spirit in a nocturnal chart is the same as the Part of Fortune in a diurnal chart.

If Rosenborg DO beat Chelsea then the HONOUR (Spirit) collected by the Norwegians through this victory is even more greatened!
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Uranus applying opposition Antiscion Fortuna in 1 deg 26, this happens before Moon Trine Sun. JF: "Aspects to the Fortuna are Final". Advantage Underdogs.

Terrific input, Leeleelee! Thumbs up

The weaher conditions in Oslo this evening are pathetic! Snow, slush, rain and ice! Hope Trondheim is better! Sick
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rosenborg were chanceless and eaten alive 0-4 Sick . The match was decided within the first 20 minutes.

No blame on either Leeleelee or Frawley. Ficina close to something.
But how does the ascendant prove to be the favourites?
Rosenborg were playing in white (1st house?) (albeit black shorts) and Chelsea in Blue. crying

How to pin the ascendant on the favourite? Or else I am more comfortable with the horary than the event chart Shocked Just give me my money back for getting the team colours right and we'll call it a day! Confused
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry that Rosenborg lost, Andrew, but they still have a chance of qualifying Smile

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No blame on either Leeleelee or Frawley


Frawley would not have used Uranus as L7; he would always use Saturn. So with his method of giving the fave the Asc, the Moon trine Sun (L1) gives them the victory.

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Ficina close to something.


I'm not sure what I was close to Laughing Normally I would give the Asc to the home team, but not when there are eight matches kicking off at the same time. I did say that Moon trine Sun is a general indication for the faves to win, but this only proved true in three cases tonight. The odds-on fave British teams did the bizzo Very Happy However, the other faves either lost or drew.

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Just give me my money back for getting the team colours right and we'll call it a day!


Smile I couldn't believe it when I saw Chelsea in blue! That's the last time I contact a club to enquire about team colours. I can only assume I must've been talking to the office junior Rolling Eyes
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good feedback, Ficina! Your points are good. Particularly in reference to too many matches starting at once to be sure of anything. We can try giving the Asc as favourites next time but the favourite should probably give 2:1 or less. Or else we do not have a favorite.

But isn't this a bit messy? Unless we can agree upon the basics of who is who, there appears to me to be to much guesswork involved. Either my astrology allows me to predict the unlikely or be right in 9/10 times, or it doesn't quite feel good enough.

Frawley would not give Uranus to the 7th and neither would I. The presence of the outer planets in the 7th would in my opinion have been more significant.

I consider the sportsforum as an arena and playground were we can test out our techniques and pose questions of a philosophical and technical kind.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unless we can agree upon the basics of who is who, there appears to me to be to much guesswork involved. Either my astrology allows me to predict the unlikely or be right in 9/10 times, or it doesn't quite feel good enough


I don't think we need to agree who is who. It's probably a case of choosing your method and sticking with it. As long as it works more often than it doesn't, then that's fine. I'd say 9/10 times is unrealistic. 6/10 is good enough.

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Or else I am more comfortable with the horary than the event chart


Andrew, I think a horary in this instance would have probably been more appropriate, since your interest was in one particular team of the many that were playing last night.

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I consider the sportsforum as an arena and playground were we can test out our techniques and pose questions of a philosophical and technical kind.


Absolutely! And we're certainly doing plenty of that Very Happy
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On page 90 of the pink book, he spoke about Uranus.

I did not use uranus as L7.

Ironically, I was doing pretty well until I got the book. Confused
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies, Leelee. Yes, he does say Uranus opp PoF favours underdogs, although he doesn't mention antiscion PoF. It was definitely worth a try though Smile

It's always interesting to test out other people's methods, but nothing beats one's own experience. If you were doing pretty well beforehand, then I'd say stick with your own tried and trusted methods.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was devastated when Rosenborg got slaughtered last night (no money involved, but it didn't really help throw off an oncoming flue!) But I took liking to LLL's creative and intelligent observation. In another setting, something like that will provide the key to resolving the chart.

I also think Ficina wraps it up rather nice - with a lot of sensible things said that will clear the mind in the next time round. Smile
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think we need to agree who is who. It's probably a case of choosing your method and sticking with it. As long as it works more often than it doesn't, then that's fine. I'd say 9/10 times is unrealistic. 6/10 is good enough.


Really, Ficina, this is not a question of 6/10 or 9/10 but its all a question of odds. If your are constantly going with those times when your tools agree with the favourites, you should probably be scoring 9/10. If you contantly are going with those occasions were your tools suggests the underdogs, then I would hope to be right at least 5/10.

Rosenborg-Chelsea yesterday was 6:1 if Rosenborg won. This means you could put money on the underdogs 6 times and if you were right on one occasion your bank would still be in balance.

Concerning the lotto, if you manage to hit the bucket in 1/1000, you have still proved that astrology improves on chance. The odds of me hitting the 3rd prize in the Norwegian in my 2nd attempt on the forum was 1:28.000. After that I do not have to get it right every time - but if my numbers do come up I'm not complaining! Lala Happy
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see what you mean, Andrew, but I think there's a difference between getting it right and winning money. After all, some people don't bet at all and wouldn't use financial profit as a yardstick. Personally speaking, if I can manage 60% accuracy, that's fine. If I win some money along the way, then that's a bonus.

The discussion Gem and I had just recently on the Review thread is a kind of illustration of this, regarding Mars teams winning or losing.

BTW, guys, I've posted up a new thread for December predictions, so if you're doing the EPL games this weekend, please post your predictions there. We still have the UEFA games tonight, but I'm not sure I've got the energy for those! If anyone else has, please feel free to post them on this thread.

Cheers,
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