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UEFA EURO 2008 Qualifying
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Coffee



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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spain vs Northern Ireland.

David Healy (or "God" as he is known to me, Leeds/N.Ireland, and Fulham fans)

5th August 1979. Killyleagh. Somewhere Virgo rising methinks.

I did a prediction ages ago for David Healy to be top goalscorer in the English Championship (that long ago!) - I was so wrong about that.
He couldnt score many for Leeds against weaker opposition, but he could score a hat-trick against Spain.

Ever since then, goal after goal after goal, making him the record goalscorer in any Euro qualifying campaign.

Transits now: Uranus trine Uranus, which rules his 6th.

This transit has obviously been going on for some time. Uranus/11th house is goals, plans, hopes, wishes etc.
I dont mean football goals, but it could mean that too.

While Uranus trine Uranus is a couple of degees out, he has Mercury conjunct Uranus applying - a double aspect.

Spain will know about Healy and may well sh1t themselves at the thought of facing him again. Not saying that one person will carry the team, but when youre superman (Healy) - anything is possible and miracles can happen. Or rather, just another day in the life of David Healy.

So who would like to inform me of the good/bad news about Nothern Ireland?

99 times out of 100, Northern Ireland would not win this match - to put it in perspective.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Northern Ireland could get a draw out of this match, but that won't be sufficient for them to qualify Sad In the match chart they are Jupiter, strong in 7th and receiving a trine from Moon. I'd like to think this is good enough for them to win, but bearing in mind they are away to an odds-on fave it seems unlikely. Anyway, I shall keep my fingers crossed for them Smile
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just looked at the natal for the UK. 1st Jan 1801.

Mercury square Venus. 9th square 1st. Could be telling.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still finding it hard to believe that England have failed to qualify Shocked Although Moon in 10th looked good for them, unfortunately nothing is 100% reliable. A couple of pages back I mentioned Moon applying to conjunct antiscion Saturn (L7), so it seems that that was sufficient to give Croatia the victory, even though they were the underdogs. The bookies, as usual, made England odds-on faves but I think they were being overly optimistic.

In the 1066 chart, transiting Saturn was conj Jupiter....
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ficina wrote:
I'm still finding it hard to believe that England have failed to qualify Shocked Although Moon in 10th looked good for them, unfortunately nothing is 100% reliable. A couple of pages back I mentioned Moon applying to conjunct antiscion Saturn (L7), so it seems that that was sufficient to give Croatia the victory, even though they were the underdogs. The bookies, as usual, made England odds-on faves but I think they were being overly optimistic.


By offering such a big price for Croatia, its to make you look and think "hey, this team must be rubbish" I will bet on England. The bookies will know better.
Win/Win really, England go out, pay out a lot on Croatia, but get a lot of money for a) England losing and b) all the money placed on England to win the World Cup.


Ficina wrote:

In the 1066 chart, transiting Saturn was conj Jupiter....


Which would indicate a good apsect. I suppose the 1801 natal was pretty telling. I wonder about the Croatia national chart too. The recent one for the independence - 90s.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm still finding it hard to believe that England have failed to qualify Shocked

Me too! I'm not sure if I've fully recovered from the shock and disapointment. I was looking forward to Euro 08 but the summer is going to be boring...

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Although Moon in 10th looked good for them, unfortunately nothing is 100% reliable.

I think it's to do with the dispositor Mars being Rx...
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm still finding it hard to believe that England have failed to qualify Shocked

Me too! I'm not sure if I've fully recovered from the shock and disapointment. I was looking forward to Euro 08 but the summer is going to be boring...



Unless you watch Croatia
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to change the Part of Fortune for night. Sorry John!
Does the Part of Spirit have greater power in Nocturnal charts?
Lot of good work demonstrated here, though!
Good show!! Thumbs up Thumbs up Smile
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have to? Shocked Reasons please Very Happy They'll need to be good to counteract John's Moon phase argument, which seems very logical to me. In fact I've since noticed that Lilly uses the same reasoning in CA, p.144.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although Moon in 10th looked good for them, unfortunately nothing is 100% reliable.

I think it's to do with the dispositor Mars being Rx...


I wondered that too, Gem. And then I found another example where it didn't work and the dispositor was Jupiter Confused Oh, well...

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Unless you watch Croatia


Whom England have again been drawn against in the World Cup qualifiers - how ironic!
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not seen widespread use of the Part of Spirit by other authors but I know how to read it into my charts. If the Sun is the light of day, and Moon of night - does it not follow that the Part of Fortune has greater significant by day, and the Part of Spirit by night?

If the Part of Spirit is more potent by night, and you have changed, according to Al-Birumi, what do you end up with?
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Andrew, but I just don't see the logic in your argument. I see you've put a longer post on this subject in the Traditional Techniques section, so hopefully we'll get some further opinions.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry, Ficina. I may have been unclear. It seemed correct to enter the topic under the Techniques section and I hope there will be some response and discussion there .

If you don't change Fortuna for a nocturnal chart, use Fortuna.
If you do change your calculations for a nocturnal chart, judge the winner from the Part of Spirit. Their location is the same!

The Part of Spirit is given preference in a nocturnal chart due to the domain of the Moon. The Part of Spirit is honours! Not quite like money in the bank - but there could still be a trophy or medal involved.
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