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Ficina
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seven out of the eight games played last night were won by the home teams, who I guess were the faves but I'm not totally sure about that. The Liverpool result was a bit of a shock. I should think they were expected to win so, yeah, Pluto might well be a factor.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liverpool's sig was Saturn and the home team's sig was the Moon(above the ground). or Was I looking at the wrong chart again?

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you are looking at the right chart. Sorry, I didn't have time to look at the charts last night. As you say, Moon above horizon just about in 10th seems to be the only testimony.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going away from the ko chart for a second...Looking at McClaren's natal, I put Aries on Asc. Leo on 6th.
21st November - Sun trine Mars. An excellent aspect even if he's not Aries rising.

Croatia are an excellent team and can see them causing England a lot of trouble, but at Wembley, England have a clear advantage and will win.
Though it might all be for nothing.
Using the natal chart of England from the 1st match played, it would look good there on that day too.


What's the word on the Israel/Russia match?
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's the word on the Israel/Russia match?


That's what I want to know too. It looks good for Israel but as you know, you never know. Benitez should have rested Benayoun at the weekend...

I'm a student of traditional Astrology so I've never looked at asteroids before so this is like cluchicng at straws, but I've found asteroids called Israel, Russia, Italia and Scotland, to my amazement. I'm sceptical about their effects and wouldn't use them in nativities but interestingly, asteroid Russia is exactly squared by Pluto and asteroid Israel is squared by Venus in 4th.

And what's the word on the Scotland/Italy match, anyone?
I've looked at the chart again and I have to take back what I wrote previously again Embarassed Italy are the likely winners...


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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Absolutely Sad

I've nothing to add to what I said before. Looks like wins for Italy and Russia. Those who prefer to give the Asc to the faves would say the opposite presumably?

Asteroid stuff is interesting Smile
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ficina
Are you by any chance still looking at the 1500 kick off chart?
According to the UEFA site, the kickoff is at 20.00 local time(15 Cancer 0).
Do you still see any clear testimonies for Russia?

I have to make a correction: there's actually no asteroid called Scotland. There are ones called Scott and Scotti, though.

I had less luck with the asteroids resembling the names of the Premier League clubs:
Arsinoe
Asta
Blackee
Bolotov
Chelsagloria
Eva
Fulton
Mancunia
Redman
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you by any chance still looking at the 1500 kick off chart?
According to the UEFA site, the kickoff is at 20.00 local time(15 Cancer 0).
Do you still see any clear testimonies for Russia?


Oh gosh, yes, I've been looking at the wrong chart. Thanks, Gem Smile That certainly changes things. I can only see one testimony in the chart and that's Venus (L4) conj PoF, which would still favour Russia unless we give them the Asc as odds-on faves. What do you reckon?

I love those asteroid names, especially Bolotov Laughing
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can only see one testimony in the chart and that's Venus (L4) conj PoF, which would still favour Russia

Venus is conjunct the part of Spirit(which is weaker than POF in football charts) and the POF is in the 10th, which favours Israel. Their sig( the Moon) being above the ground is another good sign for Israel but that's about it, apart form the astroid stuff I mentioned.
Mars can be a co-sig for Israel as it's on AC. It's squared by anticion of POF. Is it a bad sign?
Can England sitll be hopeful?
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't reverse the formula for calculating PoF in a night chart. I've gone through phases of reversing/not reversing. I've seen arguments for both methods, but the one John mentions in his book (which I've not heard before) has convinced me not to reverse - for the time being anyway Smile
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't reverse the formula for calculating PoF in a night chart

That's interesting...

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the one John mentions in his book (which I've not heard before) has convinced me not to reverse

I'm very curious to know his arguements...

To speak about my own experience, I always look at both and have found so far the part of spirit not as active or effective as POF(reversed ones).
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I always look at both and have found so far the part of spirit not as active or effective as POF(reversed ones).


That's interesting too. How have you found it to affect antiscion PoF or have you not looked at this?

John's argument is that the position of PoF is a charting of the Moon's phase throughout the month, and that the Moon's phase doesn't change as soon as it gets dark. The PoF works its way round the signs through the course of a lunar month. You can see this quite clearly if you look at an animated chart. It does one circuit and a bit in 24 hours, then the same over 28 days. I'd never actually noticed this before.

I'm not sure if I've explained this very well, but it's very clear when you see it move in an animated chart.

Actually I've just noticed that John says in his book that aspects from L4 or L10 to PoF are not strong enough to decide a contest on their own. So if we disregard Venus conj PoF in the Israel chart, then there are no testimonies for either side. So this could mean that the faves, Russia, win by default Sad
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for enlightening me on this; your explanation was clear. So that's why POF is sometimes potent and sometimes useless, depending on the phase.

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How have you found it to affect antiscion PoF or have you not looked at this?

Looking at the ansticion of POF is something I picked up from this forum lately and have only looked at it in a couple of charts. I'm still sceptical of the anticion of non-physical points but I'm really willing to look at anything and everyhing especially in a chart like this with no strong testimonies for either side.

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So this could mean that the faves, Russia, win by default

That is really the logical conclusion but still I can't help myself hoping...
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So this could mean that the faves, Russia, win by default

That is really the logical conclusion but still I can't help myself hoping...


Same here. In fact a draw would be OK, but we still have to beat Croatia Smile
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israel 2-1 Russia.

Good times for Steve McClaren indeed.
I go win for England against Croatia. Thumbs up
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