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Gem



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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting! I'll certainly look at those charts later.
I started on the position of the POF yeserday but there was so much to do at the weekend and ended up doing not much...
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because Chelsea has the asian handicap odds of -2 goals. i.e. Chelsea is expected to win by at least 2 clear goals.
Liverpool and Man Utd are both level on asian handicap, i.e. there is no clear favorites.
Therefore Chelsea win but only by 2, and Liverpool draws.

Leeleelee, I am not sure, as Gem, what is asian handycap, do you have some link where we could inform about that?
If I understand correctly, if we have "same" charts with same AD+ED and if in some match there are fovorite(bet), favorite wins, but if there are no favorite it will be draw?
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Goca,

Here's a link http://www.punters-paradise.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100

I hope you dont find that confusing.

Anyway, you are almost correct in what you just said. Asian Handicapping considers the logical side of things, sometimes a draw for the underdogs is a great result, take Chelsea vs Fulham game for example. Even though the chart points to advantage Fulham, they cannot possibly beat Chelsea at home (unless it is a really huge advantage). Under the same circumstances, Chelsea would have lost if the opponent is Liverpool or Arsenal (or any team that can provide a close fight) instead of Fulham.

If you bet on asian handicap and you waged on Fulham, you would have won.
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee
That link was helpful, thanks.

Ficina
Re a sig being the lady/lord of the POF, I found a few other examples. It certainly can be said that it's a positive factor.

I'll commment on the position of POF maybe tomorrow.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The POF in teh 1st slightly seems to favour the AC team and the POF in the 7th, DC team but the conclusion is that I won't be bothered to pay attention to the position of the POF in the future.

Here's the result:

POF in the 1st
AC win:28 DC win: 13 Draw: 14

POF in 2nd
AC win: 9 DC: 5 Draw: 2

H3
AC: 8 DC: 3 Draw: 2

H4
AC:1 DC: 2 DR: 1

H5
AC:12 DC:2 Dr:3

H6AC:9 DC:3 Dr:2

H7
AC:17 DC:24 DR:11

H8
AC:3 DC:3 DR:4

H9
AC:7 DC:1 DR:4

H10
AC: 9 DC:5 DR:0

H11
AC:9 DC:6 DR:10

H12
AC:10 DC:4 DR:4
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gem wrote:
Lee
That link was helpful, thanks.



Welcome Lala Happy
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gem,
Thanks for posting those very interesting results re PoF house positions.

3lees,
Thanks for the Punters Paradise link - a fascinating site. I read some of the other posts and was very impressed by some of the research being undertaken, using stats, databases etc. If I had the time and the techie know-how, it would be great to be able to compile something similar with astro stats. One day perhaps.... Smile
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some thoughts on whether the underdogs/away team will win or draw when they have the strongest planet.

Using the Champions League matches that 3lees posted about as an example. Mars was the strongest planet. With the colour method, ManU, Inter and Barca were all signified by Mars. All three were faves and they won, as expected. With all methods, Rangers were signified by Mars but they were the underdogs so more likely to draw, yet they won. Why? We need to look for other testimonies.

According to John Frawley, if the Moon is applying by conjunction to one of the team's significators (L1, L7, L4, L10), then that team will win. Obviously other factors have to be considered too, but in the example above we already have Mars as the strongest planet and the Moon is applying to conj Mars. Voila!

Making an accurate prediction that the underdogs will win is far more satisfying, impressive (and lucrative if you're betting) than predicting that the faves will win. Everyone expects the faves to win - bookies, experts etc, and of course it's good to see it confirmed in the chart. But it's definitely a feather in the astrologer's cap to be able to predict the unexpected - and get it right Very Happy
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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According to John Frawley, if the Moon is applying by conjunction to one of the team's significators (L1, L7, L4, L10), then that team will win.

Ficina, is this from Frawley's new book?
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it is, Goca. A little morsel to whet your appetite Smile
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if the Moon is applying by conjunction to one of the team's significators (L1, L7, L4, L10), then that team will win.


Is it only conjunction?? Did he say anything about matches with the same kick-off time?

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Everyone expects the faves to win - bookies, experts etc, and of course it's good to see it confirmed in the chart. But it's definitely a feather in the astrologer's cap to be able to predict the unexpected - and get it right


Absolutely. Unless we can get the scoreline right like Leex3 did with the ManU/Wigan match Very Happy
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it only conjunction??


You need to see what he says in context really because he was comparing it to other aspects - quite a long discussion but basically a conjunction trumps any others.

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Did he say anything about matches with the same kick-off time?


He doesn't do them, although he does give an example of two cricket matches which started at the same time.

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Unless we can get the scoreline right like Leex3 did with the ManU/Wigan match


Crack open the champagne Very Happy
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HI Ficina,

What is Frawley's new book's name? how can I get it? I am more intrested in that because you have mentioned that Frawley has used cricket matches as expample. I am really intrested in predicting Cricket matches but unable to do so till date.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rohan,

It's called Sports Astrology. You can order it direct from John or I expect the online bookshops will have it if you look. There's more info about it here
http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2731

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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post-match analysis to see what worked, what didn't and why.

Villa 1 West Ham 0 (3pm BST 6 Oct)
Arsenal 3 Sunderland 2 (midday BST 7 Oct)
Reading 1 Derby 0 (2pm BST 7 Oct)
Fulham 0 Portsmouth 2 (4.10pm BST 7 Oct)

1) All home teams were favourites and apart from Fulham they were odds on faves, meaning there needed to be very strong testimonies for the away team/underdog to get a draw, let alone win. Portsmouth had more of a chance since Fulham were only marginal faves.

2) Villa v West Ham. Moon in 7th, PoF in 10th close to MC. Moon trine antiscion Saturn (Villa) - a minor testimony but enough to give them the edge. I only spotted this afterwards!

3) Arsenal v Sunderland. Jupiter in 1st. Moon sextile Mars (L4) indicating that Sunderland would score and it would be a close match. I might have gone for a draw here but Arsenal aren't top of the EPL for nothing! Moon is prohibited from making the sextile to Mercury (L7) because it conjoins Saturn first. I realised that in hindsight.

4) Reading v Derby. Pluto on Asc and Mercury in 10th didn't work, or were outweighed by Moon sextile Mars (L10). I was wrong about Derby possibly scoring because again the Moon's sextile to Mercury (L7) was prohibited by Saturn.

5) Fulham v Portsmouth. The only one I got right! Moon in 7th sextile Mercury (L4), no longer prohibited by Saturn as the Moon was just 2' past it. No testimonies for Fulham who, as I said, were only very marginal faves so easier to beat.


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