Copa America 2007

Coffee · Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 130

Argentina to win it.

Both managers born a day apart - not much going on to seperate them there.

Argentina Captain, Roberto Ayala, Saturn trine Sun. Would take a guess at Leo rising Wink

Anyone care to look at the natal of Lionel Messi for Argentina?
You might want to. Thumbs up

Goca · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 948 Location: Srbija

Mario, I do not know what to say, it seams you are much knowledge astrologer that me, I learn astrology from books and Internet, I do not go to astrology school, and I may say I do not work with Semisquare aspects, I "know" only for "most important": sextile, trine, opposition and square. But surely that detailed approach gives better result!
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Coffee · Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 130

Coffee · Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 130

I mean Lionel Messi NOT Carlos Tevez.

Very tired.

Goca · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 948 Location: Srbija

Brasil 3 - 0 Argentina

First of all, when you try to predict by astrology winner, you must forget who plays, who not, you must only look astrological facts.
I think this "chinese method" is highly appropriate for one year competition, but for weekly matches we have to look elements for that specific day. I will test this method in future again I think it promise...

If you ask me why horary chart did not deliver same result, I think it is because I did not consider that Me is in different sign than 7 house cusp, so his influence is greately weakened.
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Ficina · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:06 am Post subject:

I'm glad the Chinese method worked, Goca.

Giving the favourite the Asc also worked on this occasion. I was wrong about Argentina scoring first, although they did "shoot themselves in the foot" by scoring Brazil's second goal for them. The Argentina captain scored an own goal.

Goca · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 948 Location: Srbija

One friend of mine said to me that that method, favorite on ASc in his opinion gives best results when there is "big" match in question.
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Ficina · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject:

Goca, what does your friend do when there isn't a clear-cut favourite? I remember the problems we had with this method in the FA Cup and Champions League Finals.

Goca · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 948 Location: Srbija

He has the same problem! I hope, because you are in England, that you (or maybe Deb!) will have chance to meet J.Frawley on some atrology conference and ask him in person. Many people need answer on this question!
By the way is Frawley's new book about sport's astrology in store?
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Ficina · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:08 am Post subject:

JohnF has said his book "should be ready for publication by the end of the summer". As I said in the News and Notices section, I'm going to the Oxford Summer School next month so I'll mention the favourites problem to him then.

My own opinion is that we have to use a different method. We have several to choose from. Your team colours or Chinese method, Goca, which you have certainly had success with or possibly if one of the teams is the trophy holder, as Gem mentioned, then they get the Asc.

Goca · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 948 Location: Srbija

Wow, I am so happy- we will have right info directly from Frawley thanks to you!! Yes, most important is to choose right method for particular match!
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Gem · Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 954

I'd love to hear what JF will have to say on this but I guess there's no hard and fast rule. Yet even when there's no clear fave we can still consider various factors, such as the capacity, the current condition of the team(injuries, out-of-form players, etc), the rank, the result of the last encounters between the two teams, the last winner of a particular tornament, and so on.
Regarding hte final of the Copa America, we thought Mercury looked better but I still think Brazil had the AC so this is a case for me Rx Jupiter in the 12th winning over slowisih Mercury in the 7th. The dignified Jupiter in domicile described Brazil rather well(the Rx motion indicating they weren't playing ht best team?)
As far as football event charts are concerned, I've found there's not much difference in strength between the 7th and 12th, though planets above the horizon function definitely better than planets below the horizon. Usually planets in the 1st, 12th, 11th and 10th are better off probably because they're rising, gaining power, as it were, whereas planets in 9th to 7th are falling towards the underworld.
As for the Rx Pluto on the Ac in the Final chart, the 3rd place play-off between Mexico and Uruguay had a similar chart(14/7/07, 17:05, Caracas). Mexico were the definite faves and beat Uruguay even with Rx Pluto on AC.
Ficina, I hope you'll have a good time at the Summer School and I look forward to hearing about it Very Happy

Ficina · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:46 am Post subject:

Hi Gem,
Very interesting post, but I'm going to offer a couple of alternative views Smile

Re the Copa America final. Argentina were the odds on faves so I would say that was pretty clear cut. If bookies base their odds on current form and calibre of players, then Argentina had better results than Brazil in previous games, plus they were fielding their A team whereas Brazil were fielding their B team. Essentially dignified Jupiter describes the best team (Argentina) but accidentally retro and in 12th. JohnF's description of this situation is a tiger trapped in a tiger pit. He was actually talking about Mars but the analogy still applies I think. Basically the better/stronger team were unable to perform on the day.

Having said that, I do agree with your point about planets above the horizon performing better although I've found that angular 7th and 10th work best.

I've looked at the Mexico v Uruguay chart and I'm not sure how I would have called this one as there are mixed messages. Being picky, retro Pluto is on the 12th house side of the Asc so I would probably have discounted it. Interestingly, antiscion POF is conj Asc, and this is one of JohnF's aphorisms for the faves to win. I've only seen this twice before in practice (once conj Asc and once conj MC) and on both occasions the faves won.

Gem · Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 954

Hi Ficina
We all have different ways of figuring out as to who gets the AC and I certainly need more experience on this so I appreciate your 'alternative views'. It does require skills and knowledge!
In this case, I assign the AC to Brazil because they were the winners of previous Copa America and also because of the general calibre of the team.

SIDERUM · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject:

Hi Goca!!!
I don`t understand?

[quote="Goca"]One friend of mine said to me that that method, favorite on ASc in his opinion gives best results when there is "big" match in question.[/quote]
What it is a "big match"??
Thank
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