Goca wrote:

In my opinion, Bayern Munich is the winner.
In the 2? Time, Real Madrid have many problem!!!

Upon which astro facts you made this judgement, please explain.

i attribute Bayern to ASC for the play at home, thus Madrid DSC. essentially, ruler of Venus is in detriment, so -5; ruler of Aries, Mars is in Aquarius, but perigrin, -5, both significator +4 accidentally. but the Moon, in the 1st, which gives better hopes for Bayern is going to its sign of fall before the perfection of trine to POF, this might indicate the reverse situation of the hopes. I see Madrid wins. best

More rightly home in a discussion on strictures but on http://www.astronor.com/hours.htm you may find the following notes;

12) Nothing can be performed without the assistance of the lord of the hour. If there is no relation between the lord of the hour and the sign ascending or its lord, the chart shows something out of tune and not working properly. It is like striking a dumb note on the celestial instrument. The querent may not have had a serious intention of proposing the question. According to the ancient stricture, the astrologer is more liable to plunge himself into difficulties and should examine whether the querent has the correct reasons for asking the question. An irregularity is in existence and the rules are not being followed. There could be a disturbing circumstance and the matter leads to unhappiness or unacceptance.

In case of the Ascendant changing sign I often found the the querent was stood in the doorway and had only just arrived or was about to leave at the moment the question ws asked. Example: http://www.astronor.com/horary-physio.htm
http://www.astronor.com/saturn.htm

And now back to the Sports!

Hi Goca
The play began to MC=5?38'Leo, with Saturn in X, oposite Neptune= conjuntion Real Madrid Mercury (Reg MC, Real Madrid)

Hi Siderum,
I got ASC=16Li51 and MC=21Can16 for fickoff. So we look at different charts. But nevertheless, you may be right. (Last month I predict winner for one match on "Horary hour" forum and I was right, althought member who ask question gave wrong time zone! Very strange!)

Nipoleon,

Look to see which teams ruler is the best dignified.
Look to see where the Part of Fortune is and which team does it favor.
The Part of Fortune in one teams 1st or 5th is very good.
If a teams ruler is in mutual reception it indicates that team will suffer bad fortune at the beginning then come back to win.

Your advices were excelent. For this match I got ASC=15Li26. I asign ASC and DSC upon team's color kit. Because Liverpool had red sport kit I asigned them to DSC (Aries) and Barcelona to ASC(yellow, Manly P. Hall, http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/quotes/clzodiac.htm )
It seams everything you said fit in this chart!

Ve is better dignified (accidental) Ve=17, Ma=7

POF in 5 house of Barcelona and exalt Ve!

Ve in mutual reception with Su, Barcelona was 0 in first half of match, but in second half thay were much better and score really nice goal!

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Bayern vs Real Madrid 7 Mar2007 8:45 GMT+1 11e35 48n08 Munich
Liverpool vs Barcelona 6 Mar 2007 8:45 GMT 3W 53n25 Liverpool[/quote]

Sorry Goca, i use 20 45 GMT=> ASC=27?49'Libra; MC=05?38'Leo!!!
Regards
Mario

With the correct chart ( ASC=16?51' Libra ) my pronostic is TIE!!! en espa?ol, EMPATE.
Regards
Mario

The macht is TIE, because, the Moon is Voice of course, and ruler a MC ( Cancer )
Regards
Mario

Siderum, sorry, it was my fault, I forgot to put "pm", Me rx...
Charts were similar, but first one, Liverpool/Barcelona has POF's ansticion right on ASC, and in conjuct with Moon, Ve in 7, mutual reception Ve/Su and MC on Castor, unfortunate fix star. Result Barcelona wins but that was "not enought" to next leg.
Second one, has Moon in 1st house not so close to ASC, POF's ansticion is not close ASC too, Ve is in 7 house in mutual reception with Su, but ASC and Su are in same degree as nodes (crisis) and with Castor on MC Real could not win (I asign Real to ASC=Li because of their white sport kit).

You guys go far deeper into your analysis of these things than I care to.
I don't like to give a prediction unless there is a very obvious difference between the dignity of the rulers.
Being from the U.S., I don't know what your talking about concerning the colors of the soccer teams but I guess it works for you.
And, I still stand by not making predictions with a Moon in Via Combusta.

Now then, Oscar De Lahoya will defend his Welter weight crown against Floyd Mayweather on May 5 th. in Las Vegas, 36/12 N 115/12 W. I estimate the time of the fight to start about 8PM PDT.

I'm giving De La Hoya the ASC since he will be the defending champion, 21/52 Scorpio. Mars is in Pisces 22/48 in the 4th.
Mayweather is the 7th, 21/52 Taurus with Venus in the 8th in Gemini, 21/34. Mercury is in Taurus 18/45, giving Mayweather mutual reception by rulership.
Venus is applying to an opposition with Pluto in the 2nd. An opposition is not just a separation of two parties but also a direct clash between two parties. A fight, if you will. I think this confirms that the chart is radical.
Venus has greater dignity in the chart both by house and elevation. The mutual reception allows Mayweather to get out of any trouble he gets into. Also, Mercury rules the 10th, which symbolizes the honor of the championship.
Jupiter, on the cusp of the 2nd, disposes of Mars. However, it is retrograde and thereby debilitated. The POF is in the 5th, in Aries, which is good for De La Hoya . But, I think Jupiter retrograde tells the story for Oscar.
In my opinion Mayweathers significators simply have better dignity than De La Hoya and he will win the fight.

that it means POF?? sorry

POF=part of fortune