horary or election 1 by ryvita hi all can you tell me if the rules change if you are using elective question. I asked a question for an interview tomorrow Quote Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:23 pm
2 by Gunhilde Electional astrology usually isn't my cuppa, but in this case the electional chart can be read like a horary chart; look for relationships, applying or separating, between the significators of the 1st and 10th houses, plus the Moon. The check dignities, debilities, reception, etc, especially for your (or the querent's) own significators. Quote Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:36 pm
3 by Tom I'm not sure what you're asking. If you asked a question today, about an interview tomorrow, that's a horary. If you elected a time to participate in the interview, assuming you had some control, that's an election. If you think about it, elections are horaries in reverse. You choose the time for a favorable outcome rather than asking if the outcome of an event will be favorable. I'd read them pretty much the same, since the elected time should be the time when the horary answer would be,"yes." Good luck, Tom Quote Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:50 pm
hi all 4 by ryvita I elected a time for the interview which is 19 july 2006 at 13:30, bristol england. but it seems that election is having a great control of the time and probabilities of the outcome. Let me explain, if I had chosen 14:30 for my interview than my outcome will already be known as i have an input to it...... do i make some sense additionally, do you take into consideration MC on the cusp 29degre 54 for instance the question was elected for 19 july 2006 interview time 13:30 bristol, england using regiomontanus consideration before judgment i am unsure of the ruler of the hour, i think that libra rising hence the hour of the ruler is venus, day and night, does it mean the chart is radical (still learning) the moon is not void the moon is not via combusta the moon is not in later degrees of the sign the 7 house is not afflicted saturne is not in the ascendant the question was not asked twice the question is asked after and before ascendant critical degrees the querent is lord 1 and the quesited Lord 10 acendant 22degre 35" libra the querent venus and it is cadent house the 10 house ruler is at 29 degree 54" of cancer, but the moon can also represent the querent. Do you need to ignore it? the moon is a succeedent house there are no applying aspect between them but a mutual reception the moon is residing in taurus 8 house the quesited is in exaltation and triplicity dignity of venus. However having 10th ruler in 8th house can it show that the quesited mind is agitated or worry about the querent? venus in 9 house is not in any dignity in cancer hence peregrine hence weak the moon is faster planet and separting from mars but will do an aspect applicant to venus. venus is in the same sign of 10 ruler according to Frawley's finding the querent's significator in the 10th house is a testimony of success (the querent wants the job) or if not in the same sign as the 10th cusp, that the querent wants the job. but as stated previously venus is peregrine does contradict Frawley's view I was headhunted for the job via an intermediary thereby following Frawley's view that finding Lord 10 in dignity of venus shows that quesited like venus but venus is peregrine in cancer. Does it mean that the querent will not like the job? and as regards to the agency that put my file forward to this company, are they represented in the chart? i read in Frawley book that "an aspect to the sun will work instead of one to Lord 10 but this is on the assumption that the querent is seeking a royal appointment" the sun is conjonct MC 29degree54" hence that the planet take an interest uppon the affair of Lord 10 and is conjunction to MC and in angular house According to deborah any planet that is in conjunction with an angle will have a marked influence that resonates throughout the chart and greatly colours its overall meaning. should I take into consideration the aspect knowing that mercure was combusted and retrograde in 10 house and or I am using too many planets residing in MC. Having mercure retrograde that it shows a company that I knew because I did work for this company 6 years ago I try to find out which type of job or industry that the position is for? the sign cancer shows water, humide and cold place, the company i have the interview with his a telecommunication industry if i want to see the view of the quesited as regards to the querent should I turn the chart as you can see I am still in vocational study Last edited by ryvita on Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:23 am, edited 2 times in total. Quote Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:17 am
5 by Sue Hi Zohra, An electional chart is designed to find the best time to do something if you have some control over the time you need to do this thing. In this case, to 'elect' a time means to look at a series of potential charts with various times that gives the strongest chart for whatever it is you want to do. So if you were wanting to go for a job interview and you were able to choose the time you would then look at the range of charts within the timeframe and pick the one that looked the best for getting the job. The emphasis is on the 'best' time, not the 'perfect' time. It is very unlikely that there will be the perfect time unless your timeline is very broad. If you have to have your interview on a certain day, and that day happens to have Mercury retrograde, for example, then you will be looking at minimizing the effects of this. But, even if you pick the beet time for your interview, you cannot be sure of the outcome. There are too many variables to ever be completely sure of the outcome. One of the most common is a misreading of the symbolism. One of my favourite 'election' type stories comes from 312BCE. Seleucus I was a strong believer in astrology When he was planning the new city of Seleucia he consulted a number of Chaldeans. Everyone was against the idea of a new city, which they feared would mean the demise of Babylon. These astrologers worked out by electional astrology the least auspicious time for the cornerstone of the new city to be laid, and advised Seleucus of the time they had chosen. He issued his orders to lay the foundation stone at the time of the electional chart. Unfortunately(or fortunately as it turns out) his workmen were so eager to raise the city that they started work before the given time. This time turned out to be highly auspicious and the city flourished. Unfortunately, the chart no longer exists but we still have charts for some of the other cities he founded such as Antioch (22 May 300). It'sone of the many things I have planned on chasing up one day. Quote Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:20 am
hi sue 6 by ryvita i love your explanations and the story. I was quite unsure as to whether i was playing the russian roulette with the destiny. when i set up this interview, i was not thinking about election it was convenient for me due to my full time work. It is 3 hours after when I received the confirmation of the interview that I tought about horary cast. but i will keep you inform, that should be so exciting to find out the outcome of this afternoon and find out as to whether there are some variables that I have ignored in my chart have a good day Quote Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:59 am
Re: hi all 7 by ryvita zohra wrote:I elected a time for the interview which is 19 july 2006 at 13:30, bristol england. but it seems that election is having a great control of the time and probabilities of the outcome. Let me explain, if I had chosen 14:30 for my interview than my outcome will already be known as i have an input to it...... do i make some sense additionally, do you take into consideration MC on the cusp 29degre 54 for instance the question was elected for 19 july 2006 interview time 13:30 bristol, england using regiomontanus consideration before judgment i am unsure of the ruler of the hour, i think that libra rising hence the hour of the ruler is venus, day and night, does it mean the chart is radical (still learning) the moon is not void the moon is not via combusta the moon is not in later degrees of the sign the 7 house is not afflicted saturne is not in the ascendant the question was not asked twice the question is asked after and before ascendant critical degrees the querent is lord 1 and the quesited Lord 10 acendant 22degre 35" libra the querent venus and it is cadent house the 10 house ruler is at 29 degree 54" of cancer, but the moon can also represent the querent. Do you need to ignore it? the moon is a succeedent house there are no applying aspect between them but a mutual reception the moon is residing in taurus 8 house the quesited is in exaltation and triplicity dignity of venus. However having 10th ruler in 8th house can it show that the quesited mind is agitated or worry about the querent? venus in 9 house is not in any dignity in cancer hence peregrine hence weak the moon is faster planet and separting from mars but will do an aspect applicant to venus. venus is in the same sign of 10 ruler according to Frawley's finding the querent's significator in the 10th house is a testimony of success (the querent wants the job) or if not in the same sign as the 10th cusp, that the querent wants the job. but as stated previously venus is peregrine does contradict Frawley's view I was headhunted for the job via an intermediary thereby following Frawley's view that finding Lord 10 in dignity of venus shows that quesited like venus but venus is peregrine in cancer. Does it mean that the querent will not like the job? and as regards to the agency that put my file forward to this company, are they represented in the chart? i read in Frawley book that "an aspect to the sun will work instead of one to Lord 10 but this is on the assumption that the querent is seeking a royal appointment" the sun is conjonct MC 29degree54" hence that the planet take an interest uppon the affair of Lord 10 and is conjunction to MC and in angular house According to deborah any planet that is in conjunction with an angle will have a marked influence that resonates throughout the chart and greatly colours its overall meaning. should I take into consideration the aspect knowing that mercure was combusted and retrograde in 10 house and or I am using too many planets residing in MC. Having mercure retrograde that it shows a company that I knew because I did work for this company 6 years ago I try to find out which type of job or industry that the position is for? the sign cancer shows water, humide and cold place, the company i have the interview with his a telecommunication industry if i want to see the view of the quesited as regards to the querent should I turn the chart as you can see I am still in vocational study Coming back to give you some feedbacks i went to the interview which was fantastic. the person that did interviewed me is the first line reporting of my ex-boss who still works there. this manager pinpointed that if I was free next week, he will take me straight on. Unfortunately, I need to give one month notice to my current company. the role offered is a commercial analyst/accountant what is the sign for accountant? Now we will see if there are some variables next week that respond to the elective question Quote Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:11 pm